2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Russell playing interference with an illegal car would top off the weekend. :lol:
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:24
Nickel wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:22
Zynerji wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:15
So, no cooldown lap to pickup loose rubber bites George?
interesting speculation, even if made in jest. What would pickup on cooldown lap be worth? Especially in combination with tires that did like 30 laps...
We're there even any marbles to pick up here? We just had a race where the winner did 3/4 of the race on one tyre.
No marbles pickup here since they turn into pitlane after race finish without completing victory lap

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gastonmazzacane wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:25
Nickel wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:22
Zynerji wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:15
So, no cooldown lap to pickup loose rubber bites George?
interesting speculation, even if made in jest. What would pickup on cooldown lap be worth? Especially in combination with tires that did like 30 laps...
I always thought rubber pickup was for minimum height measure.
Pretty sure it’s for weight. I’m almost certain it’s also pointless as if there is excessive pickup, or the weight is borderline, different tyres can be requested to be fitted for the weigh.
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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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But this is well known at spa and teams account for the fact that there's is no in lap

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cliffgamerz wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:35
GrizzleBoy wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:24
Nickel wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:22


interesting speculation, even if made in jest. What would pickup on cooldown lap be worth? Especially in combination with tires that did like 30 laps...
We're there even any marbles to pick up here? We just had a race where the winner did 3/4 of the race on one tyre.
No marbles pickup here since they turn into pitlane after race finish without completing victory lap
No I kean given the very low tyre deg in this race that allowed George to do 3/4 of the rac3 on one tyre, would there even be a lot of marbles to pick up even if they did a cool.dow lap?

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He will get let off with there being no marbles on track due to the lack of wear and thus is a mitigating circumstance. So no DSQ, that my prediction but lets wait a see.

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If tire wear is the problem, then it seems to me that a simple solution here is that cars should always be weighed with a set of fresh tires fitted. Discouraging bold strategies like a risky 1 stop for stuff like this seems counterintuitive for the competition.

Won't help George out here if course - this is for the future.

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Wow I am shocked and they made the decision quick, they're not playing game anymore

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TFSA wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:42
If tire wear is the problem, then it seems to me that a simple solution here is that cars should always be weighed with a set of fresh tires fitted. Discouraging bold strategies like a risky 1 stop for stuff like this seems counterintuitive for the competition.

Won't help George out here if course - this is for the future.
Rules are specific, they have to reach minimum weight AT ALL TIMES that includes when tyres are worn.

This is what they did years ago when running illegally under weight mid race then refuelling near end, I believe.

Same team though Tyrell originally now MB

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This is just black and white, not much decision making. DSQ is correct even though it's harsh. RUS deserved the win, but that's how it goes sometimes.

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Farnborough wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 18:58
Rules are specific, they have to reach minimum weight AT ALL TIMES that includes when tyres are worn.

This is what they did years ago when running illegally under weight mid race then refuelling near end, I believe.

Same team though Tyrell originally now MB
I fail to see the comparisons to the refueling at end of race since cars are weighed without fuel these days, and refueling has been banned.

I simply don't think minimum weight and tire strategies are two things that should have anything to do with each other, and I can't find a good argument for why it should be in the first place. The tires are spec parts (with the exception of the lug nuts), and having drivers collect pebbles at the end of a race for the purpose of weight gain already seems like a dubious practice - just do away with it.

There's no good reason you can't weigh a car with fresh tires fitted to ensure consistency.
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Seerix wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 19:00
This is just black and white, not much decision making. DSQ is correct even though it's harsh. RUS deserved the win, but that's how it goes sometimes.
Yeah, Mercedes goofed up massively letting this happen. Speculation: the new asphalt made the track a lot faster, but also increased tyre wear, and the temp difference probably also contributed to higher tyre wear than they expected, which the long stint Russell did made critical.

Hate it when post race DSQ undoes what we saw on track as a result, but it's been part of the sport for very long so we'll just have to live with it.

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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HuggaWugga !

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Merc must be really pushing the boundaries, three times in 4 seasons they have been found infringing the rules and been DSQ

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Oh look!

Another Crowdstrike crash!