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CjC wrote:
06 Aug 2024, 15:48
KimiRai wrote:
06 Aug 2024, 11:55
Read the bold words. Does this mean Newey will have this power at Aston?

yooogurt wrote:
06 Aug 2024, 10:28
Newey was approached by Piero Ferrari - of course they had known each other for a long time and well, but the conversation had to start - last year at the Cavalcade, one of those rallies where history and beauty are stitched together by a parade of the most brilliant Ferraris on the planet.

That start of dialog was followed by another meeting at Monza, on the occasion of the Italian GP a year ago; the flow of contact between the two, in parallel with other talks Newey has had with Aston Martin, McLaren, Williams and others, was evident for a few brief moments at the last Miami GP (May 5), when Piero and Newey exchanged nods of understanding on the grid, just before the start.

The President, to make the negotiations more concrete, offered Newey to provide him with a report with all his wishes. The document was delivered, and it was not an A4 sheet, but a wedding plume. There was no problem with the economic agreement (Whatever it takes was in force for Ferrari), but Newey asked for decision-making powers that are the prerogative of the team principal: these included binding consent - and therefore veto power - to hire new engineers, allocate roles and agree to technical partnerships. At this point (we are now in May), Vasser got in the way, and you can hardly blame him. Newey at any cost is just a figure of speech, because in reality that cost could become prohibitive, even politically. Vasser said no, and, we repeat, we sympathize with him. On the contrary, the economic aspect of the Ferrari-Newey deal was never a problem.

The sinking of the negotiations was done with encrypted codes: at the end of May, Wasser, answering a media question about the possibility of completing a deal with Newey, explained that "the group is much more important than the individual", and already eloquent phrase to which he then added: "The most important thing is the stability of the team and I'm really happy with the current situation." A month later, at the end of June, John Elkann, answering the same question, was quite explicit: "There are a lot of assessments, we have to be careful. We have to find the right moment to do what we need to do, as happened with Hamilton." Then stomped on the brakes, deflating the tires, "There are so many possibilities, Newey or others, you have to assess well whether the conditions are suitable. You have to understand the level of motivation and the ability to create new things rather than copying others."
https://autosprint.corrieredellosport.i ... _vasseur/2
So effectively Newey wants to be a team principle or at the very least a co- team principle?
He wants the power to override anyone who says no to him. That is not the same as being the TP, TD or CTO.

TP is higher in the org chart but that's because they oversee many non technical things. While CTO and TD are more R&D specific.

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xReVo wrote:
06 Aug 2024, 14:32
You can rest assured that if Verstappen is Alonso's teammate in 2026, the Spaniard will give everything to win the world championship
it would be nice, and well deserved, for alonso to get one more WDC before max joins the team though haha

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I’m actually quite confident that if Newey does go to Aston, their 2025 car will develop very nicely, and may end up quite competitive. Fred may well have a late shot at the title in 2025. :twisted: Dare to dream. [-o< If Honda can impress, the 2026 Aston should be right there with the big boys and I’ve no doubt Fred will deliver the goods if given the chance. :mrgreen: =D>

I can’t believe he may finally drive a Newey car. My god this is a dream. \:D/
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Chuckjr wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 06:04
I can’t believe he may finally drive a Newey car. My god this is a dream. \:D/
Technically speaking the 2007 Mclaren had Newey (and Ferrari...) heritage. :lol:
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Alonso says for the first time in a long time an upgrade has brought what the simulations predicted (Hungary package), correlation is good again

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... tin-wende/

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To be fair, knowing AMuS, this was just a gap filler story in the summer break.

All statements were from Hungary and Belgium, nothing new.

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-wkst- wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 16:24
All statements were from Hungary and Belgium, nothing new.
Really? I haven't seen them before

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On a scale of 1-10, what are the chances Fallows and Newey already had secret meeting regarding development direction? 🙂
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Lets see if Fellows is there in 2025 first and foremost.

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GoranF1 wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 16:53
On a scale of 1-10, what are the chances Fallows and Newey already had secret meeting regarding development direction? 🙂
not already, but, if really Newey come to AM i have no doubts he will give some help to 2025 car , i mean, "undercover"

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KimiRai wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 16:26
-wkst- wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 16:24
All statements were from Hungary and Belgium, nothing new.
Really? I haven't seen them before
Yeah, in his video blog Schmidt is talking about statements from Spa (from Krack and ALO). And ALO more or less said that at the media day.

Schmidt remains sceptical, like the whole year (well, he was obviously right so far.. ). He thinks that the stuff maybe wants to calm down themselves.

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If Max coming to Aston ,then it's mean Alonso stop F1 except if Stroll want to stop. Honestly the fix driver currently is Stroll and not Alonso.

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 21:49
If Max coming to Aston ,then it's mean Alonso stop F1 except if Stroll want to stop. Honestly the fix driver currently is Stroll and not Alonso.
one step at a time. if alonso is pushed out for max, while Stroll stays, aston can get bent as far as im concerned. ill go back to being a mclaren fan. if newey does join, the 25 car will be a lot better regardless. im pretty sure of that. also, if aston pull max, after all the talk and a$$ kissing from toto wolf, its going to be a bad look for mercedes.

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zoroastar wrote:
08 Aug 2024, 01:27
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
07 Aug 2024, 21:49
If Max coming to Aston ,then it's mean Alonso stop F1 except if Stroll want to stop. Honestly the fix driver currently is Stroll and not Alonso.
one step at a time. if alonso is pushed out for max, while Stroll stays, aston can get bent as far as im concerned. ill go back to being a mclaren fan. if newey does join, the 25 car will be a lot better regardless. im pretty sure of that. also, if aston pull max, after all the talk and a$$ kissing from toto wolf, its going to be a bad look for mercedes.
What I read is the Earliest Max could get out of his RBR contact is the end of 2026.

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by the way if Norris get his WDC next year or this year, AM will try to get him instead of Max. Norris is safe choice if Stroll still around...