2024 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Aug 23 - 25

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ismail1991 wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 17:44
TeamKoolGreen wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 17:33
^ Laughs about basic observable facts.

Using the points gap to try and imply superior race pace on hamiltons part. Nice try. That's called sophistry. 3 DNFs vs one. And in 2 of those DNFs , Russell was ahead of Hamilton. On the pole in Silverstone and crossing the line ahead of him in Belgium.
yeah with an underweight car
Even worse. It came to light that the driver also "cheated the system" by relieving himself of a couple pounds after getting weighed before the race.

That "load" did not go down easily.
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Wow didnโ€™t expect such a performance from Norris today! Iโ€™ll have to bite my tongue now butโ€ฆ23 seconds inside Maxโ€™s playground??

Quite impressive stuff both from Norris and McLaren! But I believe they should have pitted Piastri early too! He surely would have caught Max at the endโ€ฆbut they probably gambled on safety car!

Driver of the day has to be Leclerc! How on earth did he manage to end 3rd?? Nice race from him!!

How on earth does Russell always manage to barely finish ahead of Lewis even though he started 10 places ahead of him?? :lol:

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GrizzleBoy wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 17:50
One thing I thought about with George's last stop, is that Merc actually had to do it to keep George ahead of Lewis.

If George stayed out and created a DRS train while fighting Sainz and Cheo (assuming they couldn't pass easily) Lewis would've been able to use the pace of his softs to get past all of them as he'd have approached all of them much earlier on much fresher and faster soft tyres.
Fantasy. There was no way George was going to keep Carlos behind, may be Perez. By the time Lewis arrived at the scene, he would have burned his tyres and got stuck in that train. Look what happened to Piastri behind Charles.

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Statement by Lando! questions been asked after his poor starts and certain moves in previous races but thats the way to answer it all

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Dunlay wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 18:07
GrizzleBoy wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 17:50
One thing I thought about with George's last stop, is that Merc actually had to do it to keep George ahead of Lewis.

If George stayed out and created a DRS train while fighting Sainz and Cheo (assuming they couldn't pass easily) Lewis would've been able to use the pace of his softs to get past all of them as he'd have approached all of them much earlier on much fresher and faster soft tyres.
Fantasy. There was no way George was going to keep Carlos behind, may be Perez. By the time Lewis arrived at the scene, he would have burned his tyres and got stuck in that train. Look what happened to Piastri behind Charles.
There's nothing fantasy about it.

Lewis held the gap and then caught George who was on tyres that had more pace than the hard tyres he would need to be defending with if he didn't pit.

If George did not stop, the pace differential would have:

1. Let Lewis catch upto the group much faster due to it being dictated by George's much slower pace (unless they passed him), therefore not requiring Lewis to use as much of his tyres catching them and instead using his tyres to pass them.

2. Let Lewis and others pass him due to the pace differential he had to them at the time (on the lap George pitted Carlos was 0.6s faster per lap and was already in DRS range).

Ultimately, I think Merc believed all three of Carlos, Sergio and Lewis were going to pass George based on how he was going backwards toward all of them and how much tyres he had left.

There were loads of laps left by the time Carlos at Checo were within a few seconds of George. If he was going backwards because of tyre management there would be no need to pit him. But it wasn't management that was sending him backwards and that's why he needed to pit one more time.

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Logie wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 18:15
Statement by Lando! questions been asked after his poor starts and certain moves in previous races but thats the way to answer it all
By having another poor start?

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organic wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 18:32
Logie wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 18:15
Statement by Lando! questions been asked after his poor starts and certain moves in previous races but thats the way to answer it all
By having another poor start?
No, by showing that he could give the second fastest car/driver package on thebgrid a 10 second head start and still beat them comfortably while cruising. :shock:

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Props to the Dutch fans, in the name of sport, I congratulate and thank you all
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25 Aug 2024, 18:32
By having another poor start?
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the race pace graph skewed by mercs both pitting for soft tyres???

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chrisc90 wrote: โ†‘
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the race pace graph skewed by mercs both pitting for soft tyres???
Yea, merc were definitely not second fastest

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How did RIC finish in front of TSU? RB screwed up TSU strategy again?
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I didn't think the race was amazing today, obviously impressive win for Lando today.

I'm not a fan of the track think it's too narrow for modern F1 cars and generally not that exciting, probably wouldn't have the race there if it wasn't for the strong Max fanbase (very impressive it is too!)

Biggest issue for me was the C1-3 compound choice think it was too conservative in my opinion.

We move on though, looking forward to the next series of races

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organic wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 18:32
Logie wrote: โ†‘
25 Aug 2024, 18:15
Statement by Lando! questions been asked after his poor starts and certain moves in previous races but thats the way to answer it all
By having another poor start?
lol true, never thought that post through but more about the drive. But it's strange it keeps happening.

Heard Haas equipment is stuck after losing a court ruling regarding paying Uralkali 9 million dollars, can't move anything gout of NL
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