2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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catent wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 22:53
mwillems wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 19:30
catent wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 18:15

“Mercedes is potentially catchable”

The same Mercedes that trails Ferrari by 94 points in the WCC?
He's not being hugely clear but appears to be in fact referring to the relative pace of the cars as it stands on current form at the end of his statement I think. but the way it was explained confusingly conflated the WCC performance with cars current performance.

So translated, it would read: Ferrari's car reaching again the pace of Mercedes is maybe possible but Mclaren is too far ahead this season for developments to bring Ferrari to their pace.
I understood the op’s meaning … it’s just that what was said is effectively meaningless, imo.

What is the window of time for determining pace? The most recent race? The most recent 3 races? 5?

Mercedes had superior pace to Ferrari for 5-6 races prior to summer break. Ferrari had superior pace at Zandvoort.

We’re just looking at snapshots from a point in time. Every race is scored, not just a handful of 5-6 races in May-July. I don’t buy the notion that Mercedes’ pace advantage is lasting (or even still exists), which the post I was replying to assumes is the case.

If Mercedes is legitimately quicker than Ferrari at Monza, I’ll tip my cap and eat some crow.
But the response didn't reflect that.

Yes I'd say one race doesn't change the fact that Mercedes look legitimately quicker than Ferrari right now. Any forecast for the future is opinion. 5 or 6 races is more than enough to determine current form.

Ultimately I don't agree with Seanspeed, the gaps are not that big and Ferrari can get back in front.

Ferrari doing well at Monza will begin to shift that form book, and they are capable of doing well. But right now they look like the 4th fastest car for the time being.

But as far as I'm aware, this was never about who will be faster at Monza, it was about the work Ferrari have to do to be considered as contenders for wins again. I'm not sure which was the last race anyone thought they are in contention for a win. So please don't eat any crow on my behalf.
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Mercedes is faster than Ferrari only when the temperature is low.

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Austria was 28c and Hungary was 32c
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just a technical question not sure i should ask here, why does red bull and McLaren have that Big spoon shape for lower plane of wings even in low downforce track, compared to Ferrari which is straight and flat

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Fakepivot wrote:
30 Aug 2024, 07:57
just a technical question not sure i should ask here, why does red bull and McLaren have that Big spoon shape for lower plane of wings even in low downforce track, compared to Ferrari which is straight and flat
McLaren's Monza wing is also flat, RB did not bring (or show yet) a Monza-specific wing

McLaren wing here viewtopic.php?p=1240040#p1240040
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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mwillems wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 23:10
Austria was 28c and Hungary was 32c
So you saying that MB is fine as matter tyre deg in heat?

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bluechris wrote:
30 Aug 2024, 09:26
mwillems wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 23:10
Austria was 28c and Hungary was 32c
So you saying that MB is fine as matter tyre deg in heat?
No I'm saying they were faster at the two recent hot races.
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mwillems wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 20:40
Emag wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 20:12
mwillems wrote:
29 Aug 2024, 20:03


I'm staying out of it now, was just clarifying what im reasonably sure they meant! :lol:
Fair enough. I just think people are overplaying McLaren’s advantage. And that’s mostly because Lando was amazing at Zandvoort.

But the gap at Zandvoort has not been the norm throughout the last couple of races. And I feel like people are writing off Ferrari too early.

If the “rectifications” at Monza don’t deliver (in subsequent races too, not just here), then I am with you. But at the moment, Ferrari could still rejoin the fight at the top.
Yes I agree. As I said in the Mclaren thread, I think it becomes dominance when you string together wins, not win once.

You are right, the gap between the teams isn't huge and any one of the four teams could well win the development war by seasons end, even if they win no other titles.
Agreed. Max was unusually off the pace, which exacerbated Lando's margin.
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Huge aero upgrade that should hopefully remedy some of the suspension deficiencies that have been discussed since Barcelona.

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The track temp is 50 C. Couldn't have asked for better conditions.

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So its no bouncing?
FORZA FERRARI!

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What sensor issue might they be talking about in Leclerc's car?

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
30 Aug 2024, 13:46
What sensor issue might they be talking about in Leclerc's car?
Engine Braking according to Sky Italy

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Leclerc saying the car is very difficult to drive

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Aug 2024, 14:02
Leclerc saying the car is very difficult to drive
All cars must be difficult to drive with such low downforce levels and on new asphalt.
FORZA FERRARI!