And the same for Oscar in Miami, where he was leading the race and the SC gave the lead to Lando and put Oscar next to Sainz, who snacked on his front wing.Ben1980 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 18:29Lando has been the better driver this season, he has most points, and would have more if he hadn't been run off in Austria. His season has been better than Oscar.
He has a chance of a deserved title, Oscar has pretty almost no chance. The team need to pull their finger out, and stop being stupid.
I am happy that Oscar has a fighting spirit on the track. It is great to have such a driver in the team. But it is worth understanding that because of his egoism, and I cannot extrapolate it in any other way, the team lost 1-2 positions at the finish. Stella also spoke out on this issue, that they will discuss Oscar's maneuver. I do not think that the team will push him aside, but the fact that Lando now has a free hand is beyond my doubt.mwillems wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:08I am not sure either way. I think the point of no team orders is to let the settle it on the track. The lack of a number 1 is precisely because it hasn't been settled on track.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 18:24There have been quite a few mistakes this year, both on the team's side and on the side of both drivers. I have already discussed this before the summer break and I do not intend to return to that topic. I could say that my disappointment knows no bounds, but in this case, "well done" to everyone. Now a lot will depend on what is decided within the team. They have already written that Lando may leave for another team, I am not sure about this yet. Most likely, Oscar will leave earlier.
I know how you feel about the previous races, but obviously in this conversation they can't really be brushed aside.
Lando wasn't terrible today, just not performing tp expectations again.
There have already been updates, the car is already the fastest. The problem is no longer the pure speed of the chassis, but in the strategists and engineers in the team. And also in what the team principal allows and does not allow his drivers on the track.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:20Hopefully this kind of BS is the last time it happens. Starting from next race Norris has to be No1 because he is better so far and much closer to the WDC. Its a huge opportunity now that Red Bull seem to be under siege from both Ferrari and Mercedes. Also we need more upgrades. The car must be unbeatable to avoid these kinds of setbacks.
Oscar isn't norris's puppetSlahinki wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:47Just watched the race. What an absolutely idiotic move by Piastri, nearly took out both cars and then let Leclerc through too. Racing his team mate like he's the australian Ocon. What a shitty team mate behaviour. The team continues to do it's best to throw the WDC away, like they are allergic to it. Absolutely infuriating to not be able to capitalise more on Red Bull and Verstappen finishing outside the top 5.
But he qualified behind and wasn't able to pass at the start. In the hindsight, you really believe what he did in T4 was correct? I mean noone expect that attack, not even Norris and because of Norris evasive actions they didn't crash and as extra candy, Leclerc went second.Venturiation wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:50Oscar isn't norris's puppetSlahinki wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:47Just watched the race. What an absolutely idiotic move by Piastri, nearly took out both cars and then let Leclerc through too. Racing his team mate like he's the australian Ocon. What a shitty team mate behaviour. The team continues to do it's best to throw the WDC away, like they are allergic to it. Absolutely infuriating to not be able to capitalise more on Red Bull and Verstappen finishing outside the top 5.
Oscar was simply superior this race and norris couldn't keep up with him
Lando didn't give him the win, the team undercut Oscar and gave the place to norris then he tried to act like he was better than piastri but today piastri proved him that he isn'tJurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:53Why didn't Lando ask Piastri for the favor of handing over P2 to him, as Lando gave him the win in Hungary? What is the matter with McLaren, why don't they want Norris to win the WDC?
So now drivers that qualify behind aren't allowed to overtake? The move at T4 was a masterclass and show big amount of skillbluechris wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:55But he qualified behind and wasn't able to pass at the start. In the hindsight, you really believe what he did in T4 was correct? I mean noone expect that attack, not even Norris and because of Norris evasive actions they didn't crash and as extra candy, Leclerc went second.Venturiation wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:50Oscar isn't norris's puppetSlahinki wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:47Just watched the race. What an absolutely idiotic move by Piastri, nearly took out both cars and then let Leclerc through too. Racing his team mate like he's the australian Ocon. What a shitty team mate behaviour. The team continues to do it's best to throw the WDC away, like they are allergic to it. Absolutely infuriating to not be able to capitalise more on Red Bull and Verstappen finishing outside the top 5.
Oscar was simply superior this race and norris couldn't keep up with him
To me it was a brain fart move.
I think it is very strong to suggest that Oscar is the reason Lando couldn't go faster for the rest of the race. Lando had 52 further laps to set things straight. He was unable to and the overtake wasn't the reason.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:38I am happy that Oscar has a fighting spirit on the track. It is great to have such a driver in the team. But it is worth understanding that because of his egoism, and I cannot extrapolate it in any other way, the team lost 1-2 positions at the finish. Stella also spoke out on this issue, that they will discuss Oscar's maneuver. I do not think that the team will push him aside, but the fact that Lando now has a free hand is beyond my doubt.mwillems wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:08I am not sure either way. I think the point of no team orders is to let the settle it on the track. The lack of a number 1 is precisely because it hasn't been settled on track.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 18:24
There have been quite a few mistakes this year, both on the team's side and on the side of both drivers. I have already discussed this before the summer break and I do not intend to return to that topic. I could say that my disappointment knows no bounds, but in this case, "well done" to everyone. Now a lot will depend on what is decided within the team. They have already written that Lando may leave for another team, I am not sure about this yet. Most likely, Oscar will leave earlier.
I know how you feel about the previous races, but obviously in this conversation they can't really be brushed aside.
Lando wasn't terrible today, just not performing tp expectations again.
Lando has a temper, but he hides it behind a smile. He doesn't want to be a bad guy, that's all. I understand Lando when he didn't expect such an attack from Oscar. But now it's crystal clear to him. Oscar fights his partner a little harder than with other opponents. In this respect, he's a little like Ocon.
Later this year I want to see how many people change their minds about Lando. Are they as selfish in life as Oscar? I have no idea. Oscar shows that he wants to be number one and does not want to be a team player. But two can play this game. Or do most people on the forum think that Lando will always act like this?
I respect everyone's opinion on this forum, but as Emag told me at the Monaco Grand Prix: "I respect your opinion, it has a place to be, but I have my own personal opinion, based on my observations, facts, etc." Agreeing or disagreeing is not a problem. It's just that by the end of the season, someone will be more right, and someone less. We can't influence that in any way.
Oscar doesn't have to be anyone's puppet, but he is employed by Mclaren to do the best for the team. What he did was not the best for the team. In fact it was opposite.Venturiation wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:50Oscar isn't norris's puppetSlahinki wrote: ↑01 Sep 2024, 19:47Just watched the race. What an absolutely idiotic move by Piastri, nearly took out both cars and then let Leclerc through too. Racing his team mate like he's the australian Ocon. What a shitty team mate behaviour. The team continues to do it's best to throw the WDC away, like they are allergic to it. Absolutely infuriating to not be able to capitalise more on Red Bull and Verstappen finishing outside the top 5.
Oscar was simply superior this race and norris couldn't keep up with him