2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[geogate]

If McLaren are making a mistake, it is by giving the driver too much say in strategy during the race - but then it is the drivers butt that is a couple of inches above the asphalt at 200mph

[Ben1980]

People here seem to be focused solely on the WDC and forget that McLaren are a constructor and are focused on the WCC first. With 8 races to go and a faster car this is looking good.

The focus should be on both, issue being that if they had held firm from the start they would have probably had a 1 and 2, and taken points away from Ferrari. They lost points to them in the end, and an upgraded Ferrari will challenge at all races.

[mwillems]

People here seem to be focused solely on the WDC and forget that McLaren are a constructor and are focused on the WCC first. With 8 races to go and a faster car this is looking good.

The focus should be on both, issue being that if they had held firm from the start they would have probably had a 1 and 2, and taken points away from Ferrari. They lost points to them in the end, and an upgraded Ferrari will challenge at all races.

We do not know that it will challenge at all races. It's Monza, a track where Ferrari always aim to do well.

I'm surprised they didn't place a rule based on whomever get's to T1 first, but they didn't, and so one driver did his job better than the other. I think it is Ferrari that surprised Mclaren more than the gap to Verstappen. They may have got complacent there.

If Lando wins the WDC this year, he will be one of the weakest world champions in the sport.

[geogate]

why would they do that? the only time that has happened to my knowledge was with DC and MH, and that was only because the car was so unreliable, and had been pre agreed between the drivers

to add,
Pretty sure I remember the last race 2007, it was Alonso that got on the radio and asked if they wanted him to let Hamilton through - they said no, as it didn't matter anyways - I remember him asking them during the race at any rate

[Lucky]

People here seem to be focused solely on the WDC and forget that McLaren are a constructor and are focused on the WCC first. With 8 races to go and a faster car this is looking good.

The focus should be on both, issue being that if they had held firm from the start they would have probably had a 1 and 2, and taken points away from Ferrari. They lost points to them in the end, and an upgraded Ferrari will challenge at all races.

We do not know that it will challenge at all races. It's Monza, a track where Ferrari always aim to do well.

I'm surprised they didn't place a rule based on whomever get's to T1 first, but they didn't, and so one driver did his job better than the other. I think it is Ferrari that surprised Mclaren more than the gap to Verstappen. They may have got complacent there.

If Lando wins the WDC this year, he will be one of the weakest world champions in the sport.

If Lando is weak, then Oscar, who loses to him, is generally incompetent.

[SiLo]

Mclaren need to stop reacting to other teams so desperately. Piastri had a good gap to Leclerc, so could easily have stayed out, and still had gap to Norris so was never under threat of losing 1st. Pitting him just made zero sense.

Norris also needs to sort his first laps out, I don't know what he is doing at the moment but its not working.

[geogate]

lol, then everyone would be complaining cos they left them out too long, like they were a few weeks ago

[bluechris]

Mclaren need to stop reacting to other teams so desperately. Piastri had a good gap to Leclerc, so could easily have stayed out, and still had gap to Norris so was never under threat of losing 1st. Pitting him just made zero sense.

Norris also needs to sort his first laps out, I don't know what he is doing at the moment but its not working.

His smile in the pre ceremony interview to me is saying that we will see a different Norris from now on. Im not speaking for better driving but more ruthless driving if MCLaren doesnt sit down and think.

[bananapeel23]

Norris also needs to sort his first laps out, I don't know what he is doing at the moment but its not working.

I think it’s mental. He needs a lucky start where he gets out ahead to break his mental block and restore his confidence.

[Ben1980]

Better to be the weakest world champion than the best non world champion.

[FittingMechanics]

I think Norris expects others to give him respect and he is not going to force the issue. Verstappen clearly went over the limit in Austria and looks like he pulled back in next races (so they stay friends). Still I am sure Norris is aware it may come back and will fight him hard.

Piastri attacking in Lap 1, risking it all is also probably over the limit. I am sure Norris will take it into mind and next time we are in a situation like this he will not leave room for two to go through the chicane. When that happens I hope everyone who is praising Piastri here will be ready to accept the results (could be crash for both of them).

I hope it doesn't happen, I hope the team gives them clear rules not to endanger their races and especially not to endanger potential championships. If it means "a racer can't race" then so be it.

[PapayaFan481]

People here seem to be focused solely on the WDC and forget that McLaren are a constructor and are focused on the WCC first. With 8 races to go and a faster car this is looking good.

If Piastri doesn't nearly take both cars out at the 4th corner on the 1st lap (experienced F1 drivers on commentary described it as a lunge) then he and Lando can control their pace at the front protect their tyres and manage a 1 stop, or even a 2 stop but without stopping as early as they did.

The team then gets a 1-2 instead of a 2-3 and closes the gap to RBR even more.

That is what is frustrating. Oscar seemed to put himself above the team.

One day Oscar might need Lando to support his title challenge and I think he is burning that bridge this year.

We have potentially the strongest driver lineup on the grid, but I don't see it lasting. Max will leave RBR if their current trend continues and I think either Lando or Oscar goes there if this continues.

Hopefully harmony can be restored.

Otherwise hopefully Oscar goes, for no other reason than we can then reunite Carlando

[F1NAC]

People here seem to be focused solely on the WDC and forget that McLaren are a constructor and are focused on the WCC first. With 8 races to go and a faster car this is looking good.

If Piastri doesn't nearly take both cars out at the 4th corner on the 1st lap (experienced F1 drivers on commentary described it as a lunge) then he and Lando can control their pace at the front protect their tyres and manage a 1 stop, or even a 2 stop but without stopping as early as they did.

The team then gets a 1-2 instead of a 2-3 and closes the gap to RBR even more.

That is what is frustrating. Oscar seemed to put himself above the team.

One day Oscar might need Lando to support his title challenge and I think he is burning that bridge this year.

We have potentially the strongest driver lineup on the grid, but I don't see it lasting. Max will leave RBR if their current trend continues and I think either Lando or Oscar goes there if this continues.

Hopefully harmony can be restored.

Otherwise hopefully Oscar goes, for no other reason than we can then reunite Carlando

I don't know if we watched the same race, but what makes you think that Lando would be able to do 1 stop? I mean he was in front of LEC in 2nd stint and still ate his fronts? He didn't had enough speed to charge into distance with PIA and LEC behind.

[FittingMechanics]

I don't know if we watched the same race, but what makes you think that Lando would be able to do 1 stop? I mean he was in front of LEC in 2nd stint and still ate his fronts? He didn't had enough speed to charge into distance with PIA and LEC behind.

I think that stint on mediums at the start was strong for both McLaren drivers. If you remember, Norris was about to pass Leclerc when he went to undercut him. If McLaren were in 1-2 they would have built a gap to Leclerc which would make undercut not a possibility for Leclerc. This would likely mean all of them go longer (probably to at least Sainz pit window) or even later.

After this pitstop, Norris doesn't have to undercut Leclerc and both McLarens can once again manage their gap and tires. Would that work for a one stop, no idea, but since I believe Piastri could have done a one stop like Leclerc, I think so.

I think it would have been a very different race. Probably much better managed by McLaren but who knows, maybe they go on with their two stop and Leclerc wins the race by staying out. But I tend to think it wouldn't happen, Leclerc won by 2 seconds. If he had to stay behind McLaren in first stint he would have lost more than two seconds and wouldn't be in a position to win the race as he did.

[mwillems]

The focus should be on both, issue being that if they had held firm from the start they would have probably had a 1 and 2, and taken points away from Ferrari. They lost points to them in the end, and an upgraded Ferrari will challenge at all races.

We do not know that it will challenge at all races. It's Monza, a track where Ferrari always aim to do well.

I'm surprised they didn't place a rule based on whomever get's to T1 first, but they didn't, and so one driver did his job better than the other. I think it is Ferrari that surprised Mclaren more than the gap to Verstappen. They may have got complacent there.

If Lando wins the WDC this year, he will be one of the weakest world champions in the sport.

If Lando is weak, then Oscar, who loses to him, is generally incompetent.

Any reason as to why?