2024 F1 season - General Discussion

[PapayaFan481]

I would love to see McLaren and Lando stealing the WCC and WDC in the second half of the season, preferably during the last race, but let's be honest, Lando is not winning the remaining 9 races. The longest winning streak Max had was 10 races, Vettel had 9, Schumacher had 7 and Hamilton had only 5. Norris is not going to win all remaining races.

But who knows, maybe RB will face some reliability issues. Max will be fighting in the traffic more, maybe he will crash out. It could be close towards the end.

To be fair, Lando doesn't need to win all of them, just outscore Max by enough points...

Thats a average points difference of 7.7 points over the next 9 races. Quite a big haul when you consider the points system where by 2nd to 3rd is 3 points and 4th to 5th then drops down to 2 points. Its still a pretty big hill for Lando to climb, and overhaul the difference, unless he's finishing first and/or Max has a DNF.

If Lando comes 2nd, then Max has to come 4th. Lando 3rd, then Max can finish 6th.

Lando needs to outscore Max fairly damn well if he wants to stand a chance.

I'm not suggesting it's likely, just that he doesn't need to win them all.

[chrisc90]

To be fair, Lando doesn't need to win all of them, just outscore Max by enough points...

Thats a average points difference of 7.7 points over the next 9 races. Quite a big haul when you consider the points system where by 2nd to 3rd is 3 points and 4th to 5th then drops down to 2 points. Its still a pretty big hill for Lando to climb, and overhaul the difference, unless he's finishing first and/or Max has a DNF.

If Lando comes 2nd, then Max has to come 4th. Lando 3rd, then Max can finish 6th.

Lando needs to outscore Max fairly damn well if he wants to stand a chance.

I'm not suggesting it's likely, just that he doesn't need to win them all.

He doesn't need to win them all, but if he doesnt, then Lando will need Max to score low points. You could say that Max's worst possible finishing spot in races could be 3rd or 4th. Thats a Lando win or 2nd place to keep chipping away Max's lead (on average)

[Big Tea]

Thats a average points difference of 7.7 points over the next 9 races. Quite a big haul when you consider the points system where by 2nd to 3rd is 3 points and 4th to 5th then drops down to 2 points. Its still a pretty big hill for Lando to climb, and overhaul the difference, unless he's finishing first and/or Max has a DNF.

If Lando comes 2nd, then Max has to come 4th. Lando 3rd, then Max can finish 6th.

Lando needs to outscore Max fairly damn well if he wants to stand a chance.

I'm not suggesting it's likely, just that he doesn't need to win them all.

He doesn't need to win them all, but if he doesnt, then Lando will need Max to score low points. You could say that Max's worst possible finishing spot in races could be 3rd or 4th. Thats a Lando win or 2nd place to keep chipping away Max's lead (on average)

Probably his best bet would be hoping to win with other cars between himself and Max. These cars would also be infront of Checo then too of course.

It would be an outstanding feat if they did pull it off, but it is possible

[chrisc90]

I'm not suggesting it's likely, just that he doesn't need to win them all.

He doesn't need to win them all, but if he doesnt, then Lando will need Max to score low points. You could say that Max's worst possible finishing spot in races could be 3rd or 4th. Thats a Lando win or 2nd place to keep chipping away Max's lead (on average)

Probably his best bet would be hoping to win with other cars between himself and Max. These cars would also be infront of Checo then too of course.

It would be an outstanding feat if they did pull it off, but it is possible

Entirely possible. And the risk is real. McLaren have the fastest car now, and have done for some races. They need to make sure any upgrades deliver, and that the gap between 'losing' points to Lando is kept to a minimum. Ideally they need to outscore him. As CH said in a tweet I shared in the RBR team thread, its only the 4th time Max has dropped points this season to his competitors/Lando.

It'll be tight - that's for sure. Max/RBR need to maximise every oppertunity.

[PapayaFan481]

So genuine question.

First off let me say that I am pleased BM was not injured in the recent Safety Car crash on Thursday at Monza, but it got me wondering.

What is the procedure should that happen in a race where the field is behind the Safety Car?

I presume the lead driver would become the de facto Safety Car and then the backup SC would collect the field at the earliest opportunity. Is that right?

[chrisc90]

So genuine question.

First off let me say that I am pleased BM was not injured in the recent Safety Car crash on Thursday at Monza, but it got me wondering.

What is the procedure should that happen in a race where the field is behind the Safety Car?

I presume the lead driver would become the de facto Safety Car and then the backup SC would collect the field at the earliest opportunity. Is that right?

Probably a red flag the same as they always do when a car merely glances at the barrier.

[PapayaFan481]

So genuine question.

First off let me say that I am pleased BM was not injured in the recent Safety Car crash on Thursday at Monza, but it got me wondering.

What is the procedure should that happen in a race where the field is behind the Safety Car?

I presume the lead driver would become the de facto Safety Car and then the backup SC would collect the field at the earliest opportunity. Is that right?

Probably a red flag the same as they always do when a car merely glances at the barrier.

True, true. Probably just after Lando pitted as well...

[chrisc90]

[PlatinumZealot]

Piastri ordered to support Norris now. Championship will change with the Aussie road blocking Max on undercuts.

[TeamKoolGreen]

Lando Norris could be just 18 points behind Max if not for the team management errors. And this excludes the fueling error they made in Baku that caught out Norris on the yellow. This isn't to rub it in. But the team was just in denial of their own success. That is what caused them to faulter. Zak started the year thinkin his biggest problem was VCARB.

[fourmula1]

Lando Norris could be just 18 points behind Max if not for the team management errors. And this excludes the fueling error they made in Baku that caught out Norris on the yellow. This isn't to rub it in. But the team was just in denial of their own success. That is what caused them to faulter. Zak started the year thinkin his biggest problem was VCARB.

What's crazy is if they cant win next year and then fall back again with the 2026 regs they will be torn up over missing a double championship. Teams go multiple decades without winning, some never win, if you miss out on at least giving yourself the best possible chance you will regret it. It will require luck to win now.

[PapayaFan481]

With escalating tensions/violence in the Middle East, do we think the races in Qatar and Abu Dhabi could be at risk?

[Luscion]

2025 prototype tyres and new C6 compound will be tested at the Mexico GP

The second practice session will be extended from 60 to 90 minutes, primarily to try out prototypes of the C4 and C5 compounds. Pirelli has also announced that it will be bringing a few sets of C6 tires. For the engineers and drivers, such tests during a GP weekend are always somewhat tricky. When doing setup work and testing technical upgrades, you have to be careful not to be misled by the different types of tires.

According to the regulations, the development of the tire construction had to be completed by the homologation deadline on September 1. The engineers now have until the end of the season to finalize the individual rubber compounds. At the tests in Abu Dhabi after the last race of the year, the drivers will then be able to strap on the finished product for the first time.

The biggest change for drivers, engineers and fans is the introduction of a sixth tire type. Until now, the compounds were only numbered from C1 to C5, but an extra-soft C6 rubber will be added in 2025. By extending the scale downwards, Pirelli wants to respond to the ever-increasing number of city circuits on which softer compounds should provide better grip.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mischung/

[Vanja #66]

2025 prototype tyres and new C6 compound will be tested at the Mexico GP

Fantastic, can't believe the sport is actually making good moves overall for several years already

[AR3-GP]

Fantastic, can't believe the sport is actually making good moves overall for several years already

I don't think it's a good move. Pirelli's commitment to a C6 tire is a foreshadowing of the evolution of the sport away from traditional permanent circuits and towards mindless pop-up style street circuits.