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[Emag]

I don't care for personal insults just because some people here refuse to view things objectively. In my opinion those people should be banned out of here.

They can join social media fan clubs if they want to see their favorite driver gloated every day.

I am trying to say that he did make a mistake. The yellow flag was ultimately what ended his qualifying, but to use it as an excuse to cover up the fact that he ran wide is such a bad look when everyone can just view the replay and confirm the mistake was made before he saw the flag. Whether it would have been enough without the yellow flag or not, nobody knows, but it's annoying that people just dismiss it entirely as if it didn't happen.

But, this is the assumption that the mistake happened regardless, and not seeing it linked to the flags.

The issue is you blamed it all on a mistake, without accepting the flags were part of it all.

Even if he does mistake, it would likely be irrelevant and ge gets through, similar to Oscar's ladt lap mistake or scrappy lap.

If you go back you will see that I specifically said I do not care for the yellow flags because I was talking about the mistake. These things matter and they add up long-term in a season (as they have). As I said, whether or not he would have gotten through with the mistake nobody really knows. But it's a very critical part of the track because you lose time through the entire straight.

I don't even remember now if he was fully off-track, maybe track-limits would take the lap away regardless.

It doesn't matter. It's done. But to completely ignore it just because the yellow flag happened is wrong.

Then people start attacking you for no reason because you're criticizing their favorite driver. Lando is the lead driver. He is objectively better than Oscar and the fluctuating performances he goes through sometimes do not change that.

But on the context of a title fight, he has underdelivered. I don't know how anyone can (with arguments) bring up the point to prove the opposite for this season.

[Darth-Piekus]

Criticise poor performance, that's fine. Not sure today's issue was poor performance.

I'm criticizing his performance all year. Today was bad luck but that doesn't excuse how many times he has fumbled with the fastest car. How many qualifications and race starts and he is in his 6th year. I remember when he joined Mclaren the media calling him the next Hamilton. There was a point where there was an ultimatum to Mclaren to give him a championship winning car by 2025 or else he might leave for Red Bull. Here's the fastest car. Where is he now? Is it normal that Lando has the same number of wins as Hamilton who has the 4th best car? But some people who think they know it all translate constructive criticism as hate.

[Dimond]

It seems to me that Lando just prematurely reduced the speed, before reaching Ocon's car, and before the first screen with yellow light. He probably had the warning on the wheel too, but on the replay I couldn't see where he had crossed the yellow flag zone on the track. The yellow turned back to the green before he passed the screen.

[mwillems]

I don't care for personal insults just because some people here refuse to view things objectively. In my opinion those people should be banned out of here.

They can join social media fan clubs if they want to see their favorite driver gloated every day.

I am trying to say that he did make a mistake. The yellow flag was ultimately what ended his qualifying, but to use it as an excuse to cover up the fact that he ran wide is such a bad look when everyone can just view the replay and confirm the mistake was made before he saw the flag. Whether it would have been enough without the yellow flag or not, nobody knows, but it's annoying that people just dismiss it entirely as if it didn't happen.

I'm watching on my phone whilst feeding my 2 year old so didn't catch. I'll watch later.

Best thing to do is ignore him and remind everyone they can do the same. Less it is read, the less trouble it causes.

Regarding objectivity, people are less objective on the heat of the moment, even more so after the last 2 weeks in the forum.

So what are you --- with him for?

And in English?

[BMMR61]

Some of the people here should be ashamed of the poor sportsmanship and abuse. The team and the drivers did a great job this weekend getting the car into a good setup after a pretty ordinary FP1,2,3. Lando had numerous laps destroyed over the two days, the worst being encountering the time bomb that's the Alpine. He was marginally quicker than Oscar and on track to Q2 so people need to shut it. It's a devastating result, especially after all the unnecessary hype about being favourite for WDC etc etc. Just too much hype, too much hate.

Fantastic lap by Oscar and with the lower downforce setup and among the fastest trap speeds he should have opportunities in the race but Charles looks pretty impressive. I don't think he made any significant errors across the two days which is extraordinary around this track. Both Ferrari drivers, Mercedes drivers and Max made big errors. For his second visit here he's knocking it out of the park and every McLaren fan need to get behind him (and Lando).

[chrisc90]

Heres your onboard.

[bauc]

Lando was told by his race engineer to slow down, as soon as Lando slowed down, green flag was back on..... just a bad timing, that is all.
Now Oscar must take P1 into the first or 2nd corner and then to control the race from there.
With alternative strategy, Lando can still reach Max in the race, nothing in lost, nothing !

[101FlyingDutchman]

Some of the people here should be ashamed of the poor sportsmanship and abuse. The team and the drivers did a great job this weekend getting the car into a good setup after a pretty ordinary FP1,2,3. Lando had numerous laps destroyed over the two days, the worst being encountering the time bomb that's the Alpine. He was marginally quicker than Oscar and on track to Q2 so people need to shut it. It's a devastating result, especially after all the unnecessary hype about being favourite for WDC etc etc. Just too much hype, too much hate.

Fantastic lap by Oscar and with the lower downforce setup and among the fastest trap speeds he should have opportunities in the race but Charles looks pretty impressive. I don't think he made any significant errors across the two days which is extraordinary around this track. Both Ferrari drivers, Mercedes drivers and Max made big errors. For his second visit here he's knocking it out of the park and every McLaren fan need to get behind him (and Lando).

Amen

Race pace looked good. Start on the hards is perhaps the play from where Norris is

[Darth-Piekus]

If the team chooses to change all the car parts will it force Lando to start from the pit lane?

[bauc]

If the team chooses to change all the car parts will it force Lando to start from the pit lane?

Yes

[Ben1980]

Some of the people here should be ashamed of the poor sportsmanship and abuse. The team and the drivers did a great job this weekend getting the car into a good setup after a pretty ordinary FP1,2,3. Lando had numerous laps destroyed over the two days, the worst being encountering the time bomb that's the Alpine. He was marginally quicker than Oscar and on track to Q2 so people need to shut it. It's a devastating result, especially after all the unnecessary hype about being favourite for WDC etc etc. Just too much hype, too much hate.

Fantastic lap by Oscar and with the lower downforce setup and among the fastest trap speeds he should have opportunities in the race but Charles looks pretty impressive. I don't think he made any significant errors across the two days which is extraordinary around this track. Both Ferrari drivers, Mercedes drivers and Max made big errors. For his second visit here he's knocking it out of the park and every McLaren fan need to get behind him (and Lando).

Amen

Race pace looked good. Start on the hards is perhaps the play from where Norris is

Then he won't get a good start as on slower tyres and everyone will go off!

[Darth-Piekus]

What are you allowed to change without starting from the pitlane?

[Dimond]

On the bright side, Lando always has stellar performance in the race after a disaster quali

[Emag]

Just saw the replay now from further back. He had a flashing yellow for a split second coming out of T15 which was off before he even reached the braking zone. He ran wide out of T16 and then lifted, but actually after 16 there wasn't a yellow anymore.

I am almost 90% positive he did not have to lift because the yellow was off before he braked for T16. Perhaps he would not have lifted had he not made the mistake, but it's pointless to bicker about with it at this point.

Hopefully they get lucky with a safety car tomorrow and that can bring Lando closer to the fight.

[Luscion]

What are you allowed to change without starting from the pitlane?

Adjusting the front wing flaps is about the only meaningful change they could make under parc ferme.