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[mwillems]

Karun's explanation of the yellow flag

https://dubz.co/c/571a8d

Yellow flag went well before the corner 4 seconds after it went off, he get's the corner wrong and also lifts on the straight when he sees Ocon with no yellow flag.

I'm not sure that the yellow was the cause for the corner, I do expect him to still be able to make that corner. It's unfortunate, but he then lifts because he sees a slow car and puts the nail in the coffin.

Fair play for safety first, but I think he was very overcautious here and I think the mistake.

Not only this. Looking at the telemetry Lando has not lifted before the corner one bit and the mistake is clearly on his exit and the fact that he then lifted again.

Will Joseph was reported as apologising on radio. Another example of unclear line of communication which doesn't happen between Oscar and Tom.

Will Joseph doesn't talk with him until after he's slowed down on the onboards, but you do hear him talking at the start of the lap. If you can post evidence that I'm wrong then fine.

Can't see what the team did wrong though, apart from not warning him there was a slow moving car on track and warning when he approached. But still, he shouldn't have given up.

[geogate]

watch the onboard posted earlier - its very clear the apology was a general sympathy rather for anything they did - and he finishes by saying "they shouldn't have done that" - which I take to mean the FIA shouldn't have thrown a yellow

[mwillems]

He lost a little time at the exit, unrelated to the yellow it looks.

But the big f*ck up is that he sees Ocon and lifts massively, when there is no yellow flag and the guy is not causing a danger or on his line. Even after the mistake he was over .5 up. He need such a tiny fraction to get through.

He wasn't complaining about the yellow before the corner. He was complaining about the yellow after. Was there a yellow after?

Edit: yes there was. It was a f*ck up, but not by Lando or Mclaren.

[mwillems]

Even after the mistake he had tons of time in hand.

Unless there is a yellow I can't see, The mistake was slowing for Ocon.

If there is no yellow, then I'm sorry, I'm not trying to cause trouble or upset anyway, but that is damning.

[Emag]

Ignore list and report, please don't feed it, it encourages it.

Although, it is amusing to see my name pronounced with a German accent.

It's amazing how dumb you are to mistake Tomsk for Germany

I didn't, you put a spelt my name wrong and put a "v" in it

Mvillems, Emag, Geogate are not McLaren fans, they jerk off to Oscar.

Breaking my own advice here, but that one was too ironic to pass.

I don’t understand where they get these impressions tbh. I have literally bashed Oscar for being off the pace countless times. How one can frame me for being a blind supporter of a driver I think is overrated is beyond me.

Not that it matters in the context of the discussion, but for future reference, the only driver I can be a bit biased towards because he used to be my favorite driver for a long time, is Fernando Alonso.

None other.

[Emag]

Just looking at it again, it's so badly managed overall. Under no circumstance should they have allowed a situation where both drivers had to rely on the last laps of the session to get out of f*king Q1 with a top 3 car.

Who did get through on 1 lap?

How is that in any way related to what I said? You can make 3 laps and still have minutes to spare to stand in the garage …

Completely irrelevant.

[hollus]

A firendly reminder to not feed the trolls.

Mods try to act but there is no preventing a small window of opportunity for them and sometimes that window might be long.
Please, ignore the obvious disruption, report (reporting means calling the mods attention, so faster response if response is granted), and don't feed the trolls. Feeding them makes them stronger, you know?

[mwillems]

https://i.ibb.co/FYsSv2W/Lando-Baku2.png

Even after the mistake he had tons of time in hand.

Unless there is a yellow I can't see, The mistake was slowing for Ocon.

If there is no yellow, then I'm sorry, I'm not trying to cause trouble or upset anyway, but that is damning.

EDIT EDIT EDIT


There is a yellow as he passes Ocon.

Mistake at T16 wouldn't have seen him through, but Karun is wrong.

Yellow should not have been shown for Ocon down the straight and this is what is being challenged.

[geogate]

Karun Chandhok showed it after the race, there was a yellow trackside light which simultaneously displayed on the dash - it only lasted for a couple of seconds though

[mwillems]

Karun Chandhok showed it after the race, there was a yellow trackside light which simultaneously displayed on the dash - it only lasted for a couple of seconds though

There was another after on the straight. Karun showed the yellow on approach to T16.

The second yellow was only put on as Lando passed Ocon on the straight and it screwed him.

He was easily through until the stewards messed up.

[BMMR61]

Will Joseph's apology is ambiguous at best, no evidence of being a factor, my apologies. Looks like Lando will be promoted to row 8 with the likely DQ of Gasly for a fuel flow infringement.

[deargodhelpme]

https://i.ibb.co/FYsSv2W/Lando-Baku2.png

Even after the mistake he had tons of time in hand.

Unless there is a yellow I can't see, The mistake was slowing for Ocon.

If there is no yellow, then I'm sorry, I'm not trying to cause trouble or upset anyway, but that is damning.

EDIT EDIT EDIT


There is a yellow as he passes Ocon.

Mistake at T16 wouldn't have seen him through, but Karun is wrong.

Yellow should not have been shown for Ocon down the straight and this is what is being challenged.

I made an account here just to post all this and by time I'm ready to post you've already shown it. Yes, Karun is wrong. It's the yellow as he's approaching Ocon that he lifts for right as it goes green. Max had an even bigger moment at T16 and he still improved his lap (IIRC). Lando was half a second up on Oscar's time (https://imgur.com/a/ECU7VY0)when he made the mistake and yes, would have lost time, but the REAL loss was lifting for the yellow flag. Without lifting for the flag, he would have still been able to get through to Q2.

[mwillems]

Seriously, check the lap again.

It's not on Mclaren or Lando. Yeah Lando does have a moment at T16, but he was through without the yellow that came after.

[geogate]

oh well, they can question it as much as they like, the best they will get is a sorry, and its not like the FIA to even offer than much

[mwillems]

I'm really p*ssed at that, that is really poor stewarding. What danger was he???