Wow this second tweet..... The sped up clip of the wing flexing is outrageous
Wasn’t me with any reasoning! But some seem to suggest that the twist increases the DRS gap in the corners and therefore it’s an unfair advantage. But clearly it isn’t as straightforward as that.dialtone wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:42Ok, would you mind explaining your reasoning then? I see less DRS delta by 4kph. You take this and think they have a worse wing. Do you perhaps think they should open DRS more to make up for the fact that it's already a bit open to begin with?101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:39Literally scroll up 3 posts. The diagram Luscion posted
There is some fault to this logic. If you improve the coefficient of drag of your 'closed' DRS position without affecting the DRS 'open' drag, then the DRS delta will be smaller. So if we're looking at this data, if anything it suggests that something could be going on which gains them 3-4 km/h with DRS closed101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:51Wasn’t me with any reasoning! But some seem to suggest that the twist increases the DRS gap in the corners and therefore it’s an unfair advantage. But clearly it isn’t as straightforward as that.dialtone wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:42Ok, would you mind explaining your reasoning then? I see less DRS delta by 4kph. You take this and think they have a worse wing. Do you perhaps think they should open DRS more to make up for the fact that it's already a bit open to begin with?101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:39
Literally scroll up 3 posts. The diagram Luscion posted
IMHO the leading edge of the low flap section probably also “twists up” at high speed when the total assembly canters backwards. Clearly the flow field isn’t as straightforward as the “DRS gain” doesn’t seem to be any bigger and in fact possibly smaller than other teams.
Whether the total deflection of the whole assembly is legal or not? I carry no opinion. It passes current testing regs and all teams are always at extracting the maximum out of regulation sets. I see a very intricate clever design that clearly meets all design requirements.
Perhaps the only thing would be the DRS Gap increasing ever so slightly but please refer to the first part of this reply for why I’m doubtful
The guys at formu1a uno have said that Red Bull and Ferrari noticed it and are studying it. Likely will understand it and then make a complaint - if the FIA does nothing about it like they did w flexi front wing then they will implement their own
Least the teams have noted it. Hopefully they can protest it.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:58The guys at formu1a uno have said that Red Bull and Ferrari noticed it and are studying it. Likely will understand it and then make a complaint - if the FIA does nothing about it like they did w flexi front wing then they will implement their own
But the drag coefficient reduction for want of a better term, clearly then comes from the backing off from the assembly at high speed. All wings do as you can’t have a rigid state.organic wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:54There is some fault to this logic. If you improve the coefficient of drag of your 'closed' DRS position without affecting the DRS 'open' drag, then the DRS delta will be smaller. So if we're looking at this data, if anything it suggests that something could be going on which gains them 3-4 km/h with DRS closed101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑15 Sep 2024, 17:51Wasn’t me with any reasoning! But some seem to suggest that the twist increases the DRS gap in the corners and therefore it’s an unfair advantage. But clearly it isn’t as straightforward as that.
IMHO the leading edge of the low flap section probably also “twists up” at high speed when the total assembly canters backwards. Clearly the flow field isn’t as straightforward as the “DRS gain” doesn’t seem to be any bigger and in fact possibly smaller than other teams.
Whether the total deflection of the whole assembly is legal or not? I carry no opinion. It passes current testing regs and all teams are always at extracting the maximum out of regulation sets. I see a very intricate clever design that clearly meets all design requirements.
Perhaps the only thing would be the DRS Gap increasing ever so slightly but please refer to the first part of this reply for why I’m doubtful
No doubt this behaviour improves the efficiency of the wing with DRS closed, otherwise it would not be happening
Might go back and have a look. Straight and Zandvoort is long
The angle of attack on those wings are too high to have a reasonable view of the movement.