indeed, the same race piastri blamed his 4th place on dirty air
indeed, the same race piastri blamed his 4th place on dirty air
the leading edge is deflecting upwardCrazyCarperF1 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 00:00Im not a technical person, the mini drs, It looks like when the rear wing is under full compression/load it sags, the drs activation arm not being attached to the rear wing structure doesnt move so it holds the drs wing in place at the front which makes it look as if the drs is activating when in reality the rest of the rear wing is flexing beneath it. Is this the gist of it.
No, it is absolutely in no way a disadvantage; it’s entirely and significantly advantageous.
The trick they use in my eyes is very difficult to copy in this short time till the end of the championship. I don't know if they accidentally stepped on it or they really wanted that but seems much more difficult to make than the front wing flexing.FNTC wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 06:03They can run a larger rear wing thats helps tyre deg and slow corners, since it leans back and becomes less agressive at speed, and also opens up the DRS gap on the sides. So the top speed is still good. This is pure cheating. They banned Aston's front wing last year behind the scenes for flexing. I don't see how this should be accepted. If FIA does accept it, the other teams will do the same.
I don't see how any team can protest the Mclaren rear wing 'flex edges' as long as it had passed the mandatory static load test. This, parts of the wings flex were always there, Red Bull was doing it years ago and always passed the mandatory static load tests. In this present case, its best described having a mini DRS at speed. A very small increase in opening space between the wing elements by the ends bending and so the top plan flattening, this reduces drag and contributes to top speed, compensating enough for the FARRAI'S ability to deploy electrical power for longer, because their engine configuration needs less deployment at start of straight (turbo and intake configuration, which seem unique to the FERRARI engine).
Isn't this simular to what Red Bull did a few years ago and the FIA put a stop to it. Probably without McLarens strange flap behaviorbluechris wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 06:09The trick they use in my eyes is very difficult to copy in this short time till the end of the championship. I don't know if they accidentally stepped on it or they really wanted that but seems much more difficult to make than the front wing flexing.FNTC wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 06:03They can run a larger rear wing thats helps tyre deg and slow corners, since it leans back and becomes less agressive at speed, and also opens up the DRS gap on the sides. So the top speed is still good. This is pure cheating. They banned Aston's front wing last year behind the scenes for flexing. I don't see how this should be accepted. If FIA does accept it, the other teams will do the same.
The rules for this are black and white, there is no grey anywhere. This is blatant cheating.Watto wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 06:21Isn't this simular to what Red Bull did a few years ago and the FIA put a stop to it. Probably without McLarens strange flap behaviorbluechris wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 06:09The trick they use in my eyes is very difficult to copy in this short time till the end of the championship. I don't know if they accidentally stepped on it or they really wanted that but seems much more difficult to make than the front wing flexing.FNTC wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 06:03They can run a larger rear wing thats helps tyre deg and slow corners, since it leans back and becomes less agressive at speed, and also opens up the DRS gap on the sides. So the top speed is still good. This is pure cheating. They banned Aston's front wing last year behind the scenes for flexing. I don't see how this should be accepted. If FIA does accept it, the other teams will do the same.
I would say it is very deliberate. But agree very hard to replicate properly with limited development time.
McLaren I think here have just been very smart in pushing the rules, Probably not what the rules intention but found something very grey in the wording somewhere they though they could exploit.
Sorry, no, it does piss me off why some things are immediately addressed by the FIA while others they simply let it slide.CMSMJ1 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 12:50It's very clever and as always with these things - really obvious and simple too.
I think the regulations are going to struggle to always keep up and I would personally prefer a more open regulation on this. As long as they are safe and structurally sound then it makes sense to allow for this type of flexing.
Most teams will surely have a look at this and introduce something similar.
While the front wings are seen to flex - and nothing is done - then it's not consistent to moan so badly about this. Get it copied people - it's an efficient thing to do
Sevach wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 13:07Sorry, no, it does piss me off why some things are immediately addressed by the FIA while others they simply let it slide.CMSMJ1 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 12:50It's very clever and as always with these things - really obvious and simple too.
I think the regulations are going to struggle to always keep up and I would personally prefer a more open regulation on this. As long as they are safe and structurally sound then it makes sense to allow for this type of flexing.
Most teams will surely have a look at this and introduce something similar.
While the front wings are seen to flex - and nothing is done - then it's not consistent to moan so badly about this. Get it copied people - it's an efficient thing to do
The justification they did on the FW that no one will be able to make one(that doesn't flex) until next year is frankly ridiculous.
With seem the hammer come down on Ferrari and Red Bull before, but now because everybody is on the feel good story of Mclaren's revival "that's the game".
It's not quite "fair" - agreed. The cat is out of the bag with it and perhaps a TD to squash this current iteration would be the most "fair" for the rest of them. Budget and so on should not have much sway. The precedent of the front wing being too hard really does shoot the FIA/Stewards in the foot.chrisc90 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 13:30I don’t agree with it either. There’s regulation to prevent this and it’s been manipulated.
The excuse of the budget cap is an absolute joke aswell be be fair.
How far of the opening of the DRS flap is allowed? I mean teams could probably bleed some hydraulic pressure off the flap allowing it to be ‘looser’ in the closed position which will allow it to move when there’s no hydraulic pressure on it.
It’s surprising that it still passes the DRS opening test to be fair.