2024 Alpine F1 Team

[JordanMugen]

Does Alpine (presumably) not putting in the highest bid of (say) £35m p/a (and full technical control) for Adrian Newey's services, show a lack of desire by Alpine to win at any cost?

Aston Martin-Honda's plan to win the championships seems more coherent than Alpine-Renault's or Alpine-Mercedes' plan IMO.

Briatore recently talked of a plan for podiums in 2027 which seems very unambitious. 2026 is a new set of regulations, the Alpine team is rebuilt since 2016 over 11 years, surely Alpine can come of the gate with the fastest car?

Fans can probably assume too that it's Aston Martin Racing who are likely to make the big offers like say $100m p/a for the services of the likes of Max Verstappen, whereas I don't have much confidence in Alpine-Mercedes being willing to make such offers to secure the services of Verstappen (or even of Russell or Leclerc or Norris or Piastri, lol, etc).

Not to say that Gasly or Doohan will not be capable of winning the WDC for Alpine-Mercedes.

[Vanja #66]

2026 PU decision by the end of the month

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpi ... /10652510/

[Foryster]

Sounds like decision is made already. He is now only blurring it.

De Meo is just not ambitious. Honda and Audi are doing their own engine, spending massive millions. Renault is in more comfortable situation - they have already fully functional factory. Their engine is weaker by 20HP but frozen. They have prepared upgrade but was rejected by FIA.

100milion for engine, is it really that much? You would spend more on marketing to comprehend the negative talk around Renault, or on the brand visibility.

Why they do not team-up with GM to split the costs of the engine and become 2 cooperating teams once Andretti joins the party? It looks reasonable.

To be honest I really think to stop supporting this team once they become Mercedes. There wont be anything French anymore. There wont be anything Renault anymore, just the stakes.

[diffuser]

Sounds like decision is made already. He is now only blurring it.

De Meo is just not ambitious. Honda and Audi are doing their own engine, spending massive millions. Renault is in more comfortable situation - they have already fully functional factory. Their engine is weaker by 20HP but frozen. They have prepared upgrade but was rejected by FIA.

100milion for engine, is it really that much? You would spend more on marketing to comprehend the negative talk around Renault, or on the brand visibility.

Why they do not team-up with GM to split the costs of the engine and become 2 cooperating teams once Andretti joins the party? It looks reasonable.

To be honest I really think to stop supporting this team once they become Mercedes. There wont be anything French anymore. There wont be anything Renault anymore, just the stakes.

It's kind of odd that they'd be getting out when it's getting cheaper to be in F1. I'm sure that 95M USD PU CAP is probably close to what you pay for advertising in F1. At the end of the day, it comes down to if Renault want to spend the 95M. If they don't, I don't think they care if you're an Alpine fan or not.

[JordanMugen]

There wont be anything French anymore. There wont be anything Renault anymore, just the stakes.

Why is there so little Renault signage on the current car? Why not a Renault logo above the Alpine logo on the nose, and "Renault" instead of "Alpine" on the rear wing?

Concept:


The same goes for the racesuits...

Racesuit concept:

[ME4ME]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... /10654304/

Alpine's Pierre Gasly has been disqualified from Formula 1's Azerbaijan Grand Prix qualifying for falling foul of the FIA's fuel flow regulations.

After qualifying 13th in Baku, Gasly's car failed scrutineering as FIA sensors revealed the Frenchman's engine "exceeded the instantaneous fuel mass flow" during Q2.

Gasly was thrown out of the results soon after, which is the latest setback for Alpine after a troubled weekend.

Team-mate Esteban Ocon was parked after just three laps in FP1 with MGU-H issues, leading to an engine change.

Ocon broke down again at the start of FP3 with a fuel pump failure and would end up qualifying last after tagging the wall in Q1.

Gasly is now set to join him and Sauber's Zhou Guanyu, who is taking an engine penalty, on the back of the grid, unless Alpine decides to use the opportunity to make further changes and start from the pitlane instead.

Funny how Briatore joins the team, a push for Mercedes engines is made and many convenient events happen that would support such decision.

[diffuser]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... /10654304/

Alpine's Pierre Gasly has been disqualified from Formula 1's Azerbaijan Grand Prix qualifying for falling foul of the FIA's fuel flow regulations.

After qualifying 13th in Baku, Gasly's car failed scrutineering as FIA sensors revealed the Frenchman's engine "exceeded the instantaneous fuel mass flow" during Q2.

Gasly was thrown out of the results soon after, which is the latest setback for Alpine after a troubled weekend.

Team-mate Esteban Ocon was parked after just three laps in FP1 with MGU-H issues, leading to an engine change.

Ocon broke down again at the start of FP3 with a fuel pump failure and would end up qualifying last after tagging the wall in Q1.

Gasly is now set to join him and Sauber's Zhou Guanyu, who is taking an engine penalty, on the back of the grid, unless Alpine decides to use the opportunity to make further changes and start from the pitlane instead.

Funny how Briatore joins the team, a push for Mercedes engines is made and many convenient events happen that would support such decision.

Maybe they were doing a bunch of stuff to help Renault save face before, the took the gloves off now.

[PapayaFan481]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... /10654304/

Alpine's Pierre Gasly has been disqualified from Formula 1's Azerbaijan Grand Prix qualifying for falling foul of the FIA's fuel flow regulations.

After qualifying 13th in Baku, Gasly's car failed scrutineering as FIA sensors revealed the Frenchman's engine "exceeded the instantaneous fuel mass flow" during Q2.

Gasly was thrown out of the results soon after, which is the latest setback for Alpine after a troubled weekend.

Team-mate Esteban Ocon was parked after just three laps in FP1 with MGU-H issues, leading to an engine change.

Ocon broke down again at the start of FP3 with a fuel pump failure and would end up qualifying last after tagging the wall in Q1.

Gasly is now set to join him and Sauber's Zhou Guanyu, who is taking an engine penalty, on the back of the grid, unless Alpine decides to use the opportunity to make further changes and start from the pitlane instead.

Funny how Briatore joins the team, a push for Mercedes engines is made and many convenient events happen that would support such decision.

Funny how Briatore joins the team and in a single race they break a PU rule and are found to have changed PU components without telling the FIA.....

A cheetah never changes its spots....

[McG]

Because Renault want nothing to do with how bad they are performing. It's a shame to see this decline. I've always had a soft spot for Renault and wished Nissan would take an interest along with Renault. Now we are talking about them using Mercedes engines. Such a shame.

There wont be anything French anymore. There wont be anything Renault anymore, just the stakes.

Why is there so little Renault signage on the current car? Why not a Renault logo above the Alpine logo on the nose, and "Renault" instead of "Alpine" on the rear wing?

Concept:
https://i.imgur.com/J34P2VT.png

The same goes for the racesuits...

Racesuit concept:
https://i.imgur.com/y5D0eHA.png

[McG]

You're right he is a horrible pig. Thought he was banned for life from F1

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... /10654304/

Alpine's Pierre Gasly has been disqualified from Formula 1's Azerbaijan Grand Prix qualifying for falling foul of the FIA's fuel flow regulations.

After qualifying 13th in Baku, Gasly's car failed scrutineering as FIA sensors revealed the Frenchman's engine "exceeded the instantaneous fuel mass flow" during Q2.

Gasly was thrown out of the results soon after, which is the latest setback for Alpine after a troubled weekend.

Team-mate Esteban Ocon was parked after just three laps in FP1 with MGU-H issues, leading to an engine change.

Ocon broke down again at the start of FP3 with a fuel pump failure and would end up qualifying last after tagging the wall in Q1.

Gasly is now set to join him and Sauber's Zhou Guanyu, who is taking an engine penalty, on the back of the grid, unless Alpine decides to use the opportunity to make further changes and start from the pitlane instead.

Funny how Briatore joins the team, a push for Mercedes engines is made and many convenient events happen that would support such decision.

Funny how Briatore joins the team and in a single race they break a PU rule and are found to have changed PU components without telling the FIA.....

A cheetah never changes its spots....

[KimiRai]

Eddie Jordan on Briatore

"Some things I hated him for, and some things I loved him for, but you know what he will do, and he gave me his word: ‘I promise you, Eddie, by ’26 or ’27, Alpine will be on the podium."

"I’m not going to stand up and say I disagree, because I actually do agree. He has a magic wand that is able to make things happen."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/eddie-jor ... ss-promise

I personally find it difficult, but I'll be the first to raise my hand and admit I was wrong if it does happen.

Well if the Mercedes engine is powerful and Enstone do a decent job it's not impossible I guess... Who knows.

[diffuser]

Because Renault want nothing to do with how bad they are performing. It's a shame to see this decline. I've always had a soft spot for Renault and wished Nissan would take an interest along with Renault. Now we are talking about them using Mercedes engines. Such a shame.

There wont be anything French anymore. There wont be anything Renault anymore, just the stakes.

Why is there so little Renault signage on the current car? Why not a Renault logo above the Alpine logo on the nose, and "Renault" instead of "Alpine" on the rear wing?

Concept:
https://i.imgur.com/J34P2VT.png

The same goes for the racesuits...

Racesuit concept:
https://i.imgur.com/y5D0eHA.png

If you look at the time since the start of this current PU regs, it hasn't been a real positive look for Renault's image as PU Manufacturer. All those public spats with RBR. Then being dumped by them. Then being dumped by McLaren as well...constantly being behind the curve... The were paying to be in F1 to show they weren't very good. Makes you wonder why they stayed so long.

The first year of these aero regs (2022) where enstone seemed to have an edge in aero over other teams was hampered by PU reliability issues. They choose to use the same old PU the year before and leave the new one on the test bench to save money on PU and chassis side, the new PU would have needed an updated chassis. They could have worked out all the bugs the year before.

Renault just hasn't been in F1 to win for a very long time. That is the shame. If they are nolonger represented as PU Manufacturer in F1 in the future, it isn't a big deal. They've just been sleep walking through F1 for the last decade. I'd be happy to see them try to be at the fore front.

Alpine likely have insight into how the 2026 project is progressing. If Alpine are searching for the eject button, you have to believe it isn't going well. They are probably seeing all those same tendencies. They have first hand experience on how those will turn out.

[clownfish]

Confirmed by Racefans that Renault will stop building their F1 PU in 2026

https://www.racefans.net/2024/09/30/ren ... s-in-2026/

[CjC]

Ouch.
That’s disappointing

[Sevach]

I can see both sides of this argument.
On one side it's ridiculous to have a Renault owned team be a customer and not a factory entry.
On the other Renault hasn't made a good engine since Vettel won the championship in 2013, Honda was able to crawl out of a deeper hole, Ferrari was in trouble with their engine as recently as 2020... but Renault weren't... and i suppouse they've already seen the numbers for the new project.

Not that the Enstone base is doing much better...