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I fear the team is 'playing up' this upgrade to keep fans and sponsors happy as part of PR.
Typical media strategy is to underpromise before and overdeliver after.
Remember, COTA is a sprint weekend. So the luxury of a typical 'setup buildup' of a normal race weekend is not available.
The concern I think I have is do they really understand the issues.
They've had correlation issues between their tools and the track. I think if they do have the 2 paired up it will be goodd - don't think faster than McLaren good but a step up. If they don't get that right I am concerned. The sims may show good signs but will they reflect on track performance and have they really fixed the correlation issues.
Let’s not drift into world politics. Deleting those posts. There was nothing particularly wrong with those four, but discussion involving politics always goes downhill quickly.
Not bad, but I really liked his orange/golden helmet he used for the European season. I kind of hoped it would stay as permanent design.
(Although it didn't bring him much luck for that period.)
Max was yesterday and today at the Mugello circuit to test a Ferrari 296 GT3 car from his friend Thierry Vermeulen.
In the article is a 8 sec video from yesterday at a wet track.
Anyway, it is very possible that Red Bull also neglected the correlation runs, especially last year when they were extra short on wind tunnel time and wanted to focus all their runs on performance. It is a very good example on how ATR can hurt the leading teams.
Do you really think RB doesn’t use VCARB’s ATR for that?
Yes, because even sharing a wind-tunnel, each teams systems are completely separate, on separate networks, and nobody from the other team is allowed to even be in the wind-tunnel building when a team is using it. And every team has to be able to demonstrate the life cycle of every component at the FIAs request.
The only real worry that is hard to manage is engineers talking to each other outside of the factory - that's kinda impossible to prevent. But that's nowhere in the same league as borrowing ATR-time.
...and nobody can force you to wipe the whiteboard
...and sometimes you leave a computer logged in by mistake...
...and is the trash emptied too?
The geomeyric intricacies are a result of developing a certain idea or aero strategy that can be likely communicated in a 5 minute chat or a crude sketch. That is the really valuable info. Any aero departement can work out the details.
Actually, the biggest issue in 2024 is correlation between CFD and WT in "lab" conditions and track results. The philosophy of the aero concept is not detrimental any more, so those 5 min chats can't make magic happen right now. Stable performance under extreme yaw and extremely low ride heights seems to be the key and it requires perfect WT correlation, which in turn depends a lot on the WT equipment
I suspect that simple and the FIA could catch on pretty quick too (the white board/empty the trash/computer logged on would be caught under a computer forensic or even general forensic examination of data.
Matching design interactions then finding something between the 2 teams where one appears from no where.
I think there could be concerns. Say shared components - suspension aero loads looking at components down stream I am sure maybe could help. Since RBR would have all the data on the suspension.
Some chat between team members for some general stuff but in depth
Hard Rock has extended its contract with Red Bull Racing for another three years. The Austrian racing stable itself makes this known in a press release. Both parties signed a new commitment this week. Until when exactly the contract will continue was not disclosed.
The Hard Rock logo will feature more prominently on the RB21 in 2025, on the drivers' race overalls and on further team equipment.
CEO and team boss Christian Horner is pleased that Hard Rock will remain associated with his team for longer."We are proud to extend our partnership with Hard Rock for another three years and look forward to continuing to work with such an exciting and iconic brand. Hard Rock's huge commitment to the team is a testament to the enduring partnership we have established and this confirms what we have achieved with them over the past three years, both on and off the track."
I suspect that simple and the FIA could catch on pretty quick too (the white board/empty the trash/computer logged on would be caught under a computer forensic or even general forensic examination of data.
Matching design interactions then finding something between the 2 teams where one appears from no where.
I think there could be concerns. Say shared components - suspension aero loads looking at components down stream I am sure maybe could help. Since RBR would have all the data on the suspension.
Some chat between team members for some general stuff but in depth
Ruling out failed experiments can be of as great or greater than passing on successful results. Time is finite so saving large blocks is a very useful boost.
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.
FIA steward Herbert backs Verstappen's community service penalty
"The drivers were not happy about it. They all went along with Max. I noticed that the drivers are a much closer group than I have seen in many years. They have a much stronger opinion on things," said the Briton in conversation with CasinoHawks.
"The press conferences are beamed around the world," he explained.
"There is more swearing than there ever has been. A press conference is not the place for it. Some journalists have said the sport is trying to make robots out of the drivers. That’s not the case. You are just asking them not to swear which I think is the right thing. Most drivers don’t swear," added Herbert, who also explained how the procedure worked in the stewards' office.
"The incident was referred to us as stewards. We had a good open chat with Max for about 20 minutes, half an hour, in what was a difficult situation. You could see in his face he was really worked up about it. But when he left, he appeared to be mollified about the process and why it’s there. He did not blame us as stewards," Herbert stressed.
"As stewards we have a range of tools to punish drivers. We are there to implement the rules and make a decision together. We could have fined him, but we felt it would be more beneficial to get him to do something socially responsible. It is up to Max and the FIA what that is."
He has no problem with the fact that Verstappen only gave short answers at the press conferences: "That showed the rebellious side of Max. I love that side of him, that really makes Max Max. It's his honest and outspoken character. But there is a time and a place. I personally think there is too much swearing. I wouldn't want my five-year-old grandchild listening to that kind of language."
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How many people can watch/receive the press conference live? Moreover, hardly anyone watches it. Words are often bleeped out.
Moreover: Name me one five-year-old child who is interested in the F1 press conference!!
Toto and Horner will perform community service together with Max.
Yet F1/liberty decide to openly write out radio messages containing swearings - in a program thats aired to many millions more people than watch a press conference that you have to go hunting for on the F1 site - AND need a paid subscription for.
If anybody is interested about what's happening on the Red Bull Campus in Milton Keynes:
Images reveal the new location for their windtunnel, as was revealed in Oct.2023 that they changed the original plans for the windtunnel location because a better option has emerged (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new- ... /10537072/)
Are these current pictures? Can't see how they would possibly be in time to develop the 2026 car in the tunnel if so.
They are from April.2024
BTW it was never the plan to develop the '26 car in the new windtunnel. The '27 car will be the first fully developed in the new windtunnel.
They've lost half a year or so, because on the original location they had some initial objections from the UK Railway Network, and the local Council.
In the recent interview HM mentioned, that a new wind tunnel would be very beneficial, compared to the one they are using now. As already mentioned they bought the Trek building right next to the factory. And HM revealed an important reason for that: with this building they can bring in the wind tunnel parts from the side. This saves them around half a year in construction.
