2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Wouter]

So Red Bull has an empty seat for 2025? Poor Pérez.

https://x.com/formularacers_/status/184 ... P9VKg&s=19

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Where did you read that in the article? If you read the article carefully, it says that f1-Insider is their source.
A link is provided. In it you can read the following:
"Dann wird entschieden, ob die Leistungen von Perez gut genug were, um dem 34 Jahre alten Mexikaner noch ein weiteres Jahr an der Seite des fliegenden Dutchmen zu geben."
"Then [at the end of the season] it will be decided whether Perez's performance was good enough to give the 34-year-old
Mexican another year at the side of the flying Dutchman."

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If Helmut Marko is saying that he can imagine someone else in Pérez's seat next year even though he has a contract, it tells how weak Pérez's contract is. From the team's side, it's an open seat if they want it to be.

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Yes, but you stated: "So Red Bull has an empty seat for 2025?" That is not what Marko said.
They first are going to evaluate Perez at the end of the year.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

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Where did you read that in the article? If you read the article carefully, it says that f1-Insider is their source.
A link is provided. In it you can read the following:
"Dann wird entschieden, ob die Leistungen von Perez gut genug were, um dem 34 Jahre alten Mexikaner noch ein weiteres Jahr an der Seite des fliegenden Dutchmen zu geben."
"Then [at the end of the season] it will be decided whether Perez's performance was good enough to give the 34-year-old
Mexican another year at the side of the flying Dutchman."

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If Helmut Marko is saying that he can imagine someone else in Pérez's seat next year even though he has a contract, it tells how weak Pérez's contract is. From the team's side, it's an open seat if they want it to be.

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Yes, but you stated: "So Red Bull has an empty seat for 2025?" That is not what Marko said.
They first are going to evaluate Perez at the end of the year.

Just like you said, they are acting like they have an empty seat for next year and are considering whether to keep Perez or not. It is exceptional that a Formula 1 team is talking about next year's seat even though they have both drivers signed.

[Bill]

TBH, it's very unfair on Lawson. He got 2 (or 3?) races with Tsunoda in 2023 and he proved a match. Now he is going to get only 6 races going against a driver who has been in the cockpit every race weekend over the past 4-5 years. The experience level comparison is bizarre. I would say if Lawson just matches Tsunoda (which Ricciardo wasn't able to), then he should get the seat alongside Max.

if you believe your own words that lawson is indeed a match for yuki then they is nothing unfair hear.it would have been unfair if lawson never got a chance.

Lawson is yet to sharpen his skills, because that can come only from real life experience. Yuki has had more than enough 'soak time' in F1 (thanks to Honda) that his skill level has plateau-ed already. If Lawson finishes behind Yuki for the remaining 6 races, and for that reason alone isn't given the RedBull seat, it wouldn't be a fair assessment, because if just after half a season Lawson is suddenly driving better than Yuki, he would be wasted in the VCARB, where he could have served better in a faster Redbull instead.

either lawson is a junior drive or not. then if he is then his place is at vcarb he can't just be parachuted into the redbull seat. i sense fear astonishing level of hypocrisy.people were saying last year that yuki should vacate his seat and give it to lawson because he is no good,now Lawson has a seat but they dont want him anywhere near yuki.do think he can survive max.

[Wouter]

Translated by DeepL:

Red Bull: RB21 will simply be an evolution of the current car

Red Bull does not want to design a completely new car for 2025, but rather develop the RB20 despite current weaknesses

"In this business, you are always juggling and you have to put one foot in front of the other," says Red Bull team boss Christian Horner. "You can't look too far into the future. Long-term in Formula 1 means two and a half months, and what we learn this year is also relevant for next year."

"So next year's car will be an evolution of this year's car. I mean, there are many components from last year's car that have been carried over into this year, because with the way the budget limit works, it doesn't make sense to change anything unless there is a significant increase in performance," says Horner.
Engine challenge

Engine challenge

"That is by far our biggest challenge," says Horner. "We created a start-up business, aggressively recruited 600 people, built a factory, rolled out the process and brought together a group of people working in a Red Bull culture that has been so successful on the chassis side."

"Of course, many have come from other teams, competitors and suppliers in Formula 1 and it's a massive undertaking to align 600 people and all the processes, the supply chain, everything to deliver for two teams in 2026."

"We also have the advantage of having a great partner in Ford Motor Company. And that relationship is working very well. In the short term it will inevitably be painful, but in the long term it is a win to have everything under one roof with engineers," said the team boss.

"We have already seen the benefit and the difference of having chassis and engine engineers essentially sitting next to each other as we start to integrate the '26 engine into the '26 car."

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... s-24101106

[venkyhere]

if you believe your own words that lawson is indeed a match for yuki then they is nothing unfair hear.it would have been unfair if lawson never got a chance.

Lawson is yet to sharpen his skills, because that can come only from real life experience. Yuki has had more than enough 'soak time' in F1 (thanks to Honda) that his skill level has plateau-ed already. If Lawson finishes behind Yuki for the remaining 6 races, and for that reason alone isn't given the RedBull seat, it wouldn't be a fair assessment, because if just after half a season Lawson is suddenly driving better than Yuki, he would be wasted in the VCARB, where he could have served better in a faster Redbull instead.

either lawson is a junior drive or not. then if he is then his place is at vcarb he can't just be parachuted into the redbull seat. i sense fear astonishing level of hypocrisy.people were saying last year that yuki should vacate his seat and give it to lawson because he is no good,now Lawson has a seat but they dont want him anywhere near yuki.do think he can survive max.

He is a junior driver. A guy with practically no experience, who matched up to Tsunoda in 2023. That means the rookie has far more 'raw talent' than Tsunoda.
Tsunoda has 'matured' temperamentally in 2024 (the best season he has had, according to me) and has been consistent.
If the rookie and the experienced driver are given a 6 race shootout match for the 2nd Redbull seat (as announced by Marko), in a car with a terribly narrow operating window, there is 50% chance experience finishes ahead of raw talent and 50% chance vice versa.
My take is, in case experience finishes ahead and Tsunoda is given the Redbull seat, and 5-6 races into 2025, Lawson is suddenly driving superlatively well, in an inferior car, what would they do about it ? Allow them to continue as it is ?
Because, according to my gut feel, some 10-12 races are what someone like Lawson will need to dominate Tsunoda, especially because this is a ground effect car, where the probability of "setting it up optimally" is low - and driver experience matters big big time, in setting up the car.

I want Lawson in the 2nd Redbull seat. He is a proper talent, much unlike Tsunoda who is average, at best. But Helmut Marko is giving him a shootout match to prove himself. The whole Ricciardo comeback into VCARB has royally screwed the young guy's career prospects.

[Wouter]

Helmut Marko im interview recorded in his Schloßhotel in Graz where he also has his office.
You can choose your own language.

Despite the record racing calendar, Formula 1 is taking a second race-free break in October. But there is no time to catch your breath. Instead, Christian Menath took the opportunity to visit Dr. Helmut Marko and conduct our traditional interview on the situation at Red Bull.

The Red Bull motorsport director talks about the internal disputes surrounding the death of Dietrich Mateschitz and the affair surrounding team boss Christian Horner, the drop in form after the dominant start to the season, the driver question surrounding Daniel Ricciardo, Sergio Perez and Max Verstappen.

[lio007]

Helmut Marko im interview recorded in his Schloßhotel in Graz where he also has his office.
You can choose your own language.

Despite the record racing calendar, Formula 1 is taking a second race-free break in October. But there is no time to catch your breath. Instead, Christian Menath took the opportunity to visit Dr. Helmut Marko and conduct our traditional interview on the situation at Red Bull.

The Red Bull motorsport director talks about the internal disputes surrounding the death of Dietrich Mateschitz and the affair surrounding team boss Christian Horner, the drop in form after the dominant start to the season, the driver question surrounding Daniel Ricciardo, Sergio Perez and Max Verstappen.

Nothing really new or groundbreaking in this interview. A more interesting bit was if RBR will bring a bending FW this year. HM doubts it'd possible because of the resulting adaptions for floor and so on, although he also hadn't denied it
In terms of the '26 PU he said fuel and battery will be crucial, indications are that RBPT isn't miles off and are on the "positive side" (whatever he wanted to say with that).
The clear goal is now to work collectively and collaboratively to secure the championship.

[Vettel165]

It looks sunny and warm in Austin next weekend. Up to 28-30C and no rain. Should help us with finding the setup quicker, and also hot conditions usually suit us...

[ispano6]

if you believe your own words that lawson is indeed a match for yuki then they is nothing unfair hear.it would have been unfair if lawson never got a chance.

Lawson is yet to sharpen his skills, because that can come only from real life experience. Yuki has had more than enough 'soak time' in F1 (thanks to Honda) that his skill level has plateau-ed already. If Lawson finishes behind Yuki for the remaining 6 races, and for that reason alone isn't given the RedBull seat, it wouldn't be a fair assessment, because if just after half a season Lawson is suddenly driving better than Yuki, he would be wasted in the VCARB, where he could have served better in a faster Redbull instead.

either lawson is a junior drive or not. then if he is then his place is at vcarb he can't just be parachuted into the redbull seat. i sense fear astonishing level of hypocrisy.people were saying last year that yuki should vacate his seat and give it to lawson because he is no good,now Lawson has a seat but they dont want him anywhere near yuki.do think he can survive max.

Ignore him. He says Tsunoda plateaud where as in truth Liam was over aggressive against Yuki and didn't allow his teammate to take him out. Liam isn't afraid to take out Yuki so Yuki must be smart and make Liam take himself out. Liam has had plenty of time to study Yuki and he has driven the RB20 so he has no excuses to be slow against Yuki.

[Bill]

Lawson is yet to sharpen his skills, because that can come only from real life experience. Yuki has had more than enough 'soak time' in F1 (thanks to Honda) that his skill level has plateau-ed already. If Lawson finishes behind Yuki for the remaining 6 races, and for that reason alone isn't given the RedBull seat, it wouldn't be a fair assessment, because if just after half a season Lawson is suddenly driving better than Yuki, he would be wasted in the VCARB, where he could have served better in a faster Redbull instead.

either lawson is a junior drive or not. then if he is then his place is at vcarb he can't just be parachuted into the redbull seat. i sense fear astonishing level of hypocrisy.people were saying last year that yuki should vacate his seat and give it to lawson because he is no good,now Lawson has a seat but they dont want him anywhere near yuki.do think he can survive max.

He is a junior driver. A guy with practically no experience, who matched up to Tsunoda in 2023. That means the rookie has far more 'raw talent' than Tsunoda.
Tsunoda has 'matured' temperamentally in 2024 (the best season he has had, according to me) and has been consistent.
If the rookie and the experienced driver are given a 6 race shootout match for the 2nd Redbull seat (as announced by Marko), in a car with a terribly narrow operating window, there is 50% chance experience finishes ahead of raw talent and 50% chance vice versa.
My take is, in case experience finishes ahead and Tsunoda is given the Redbull seat, and 5-6 races into 2025, Lawson is suddenly driving superlatively well, in an inferior car, what would they do about it ? Allow them to continue as it is ?
Because, according to my gut feel, some 10-12 races are what someone like Lawson will need to dominate Tsunoda, especially because this is a ground effect car, where the probability of "setting it up optimally" is low - and driver experience matters big big time, in setting up the car.

I want Lawson in the 2nd Redbull seat. He is a proper talent, much unlike Tsunoda who is average, at best. But Helmut Marko is giving him a shootout match to prove himself. The whole Ricciardo comeback into VCARB has royally screwed the young guy's career prospects.

yuki and lawson have been teammates in multiple racing categories ,so what you are saying is just nonsense.they is a vast body of evidence to compare the two

[Lasssept]

Red Bull will be bringing its planned new parts this weekend, unless there are any last minute surprises.

They intend to "reverse" the course of the season with these updates.

More details will emerge in the coming days.

https://x.com/KemalSengulll/status/1845747081660555764

[Wouter]

[Jdn1327]

What updates/upgrades are RBR bringing this weekend?

[Wouter]

What updates/upgrades are RBR bringing this weekend?

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[Joel709]

With the news that the finger is pointing at us in relation to the Bib height trick, we best hope it really isn’t the case as I imagine large elements of our floor design is based around an element like this. Not saying it’s true and it’s been widely denied, but at this point my trust in Red bull isn’t exactly high when it comes to denials in the last 3 years.