2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Joel709]

I hope so, I did expect some blowback towards us after the McLaren rear wing debacle but we will see. Here’s hoping we have a big improvement this weekend

[Sergej]

lol, so this dog of a car was even illegal ? what a wonderful way to resume the championship fight

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BBC just confirmed:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... 3yvz7xdgzo

[Nicktendo86]

100% blatant cheating.

[Joel709]

At this point I really do hope Max leaves, year after year he’s had highlights of this rubbish over his own achievements

[Emag]

100% blatant cheating.

It's the way of the sport, but it is very annoying that some biased and uninformed fans end up being super vocal online and they spread toxicity everywhere. It was unpleasant when it was happening to McLaren and it's unpleasant if we have a raft of "attacks" on RedBull now as well.

There are no angels in F1, especially at the front of the grid. Nobody cares about the spirit of the rules, everyone is trying to make the cars as fast as possible and they will go to any lengths if they can get away with it.

And of course, hypocrisy is not something the team's fear in F1. We have had so many "feuds" between teams over the years and more often than not, none of the parties involved were 100% clean.

What matters is that they catch these things and don't allow them to run for long. For McLaren, the rear wing was only run for 3 races before they were forced to remove it, but who knows for how long RedBull has been using this "device" and what are its benefits.

Not a good look on FIA to have multiples teams slip through the rules like this within the same season.

[Henri]

Disgusting cheating hope for a points deduction.. this spoiled the championship

[KimiRai]

Red Bull have confirmed that they have made changes to their car as a result of discussions with governing body the FIA.

Rivals had alerted the FIA to a device in the Red Bull cockpit that they believed could be used to adjust the height of the front of the car's floor.

The concern of rival teams was that this could be used to make changes to the car's set-up between qualifying and races, when they are not allowed.

A Red Bull spokesperson told BBC Sport: "Yes, [the device] exists, although it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run.

"In the numerous correspondence we have with the FIA, this part came up and we have agreed a plan going forward."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... 3yvz7xdgzo

[CjC]

Disgusting cheating hope for a points deduction.. this spoiled the championship

Not really, they aren’t leading the constructors and haven’t had the fastest package for some time.

IF they have been ‘cheating’ (not my words) they are cheating and still can’t win

[Joel709]

100% blatant cheating.

It's the way of the sport, but it is very annoying that some biased and uninformed fans end up being super vocal online and they spread toxicity everywhere. It was unpleasant when it was happening to McLaren and it's unpleasant if we have a raft of "attacks" on RedBull now as well.

There are no angels in F1, especially at the front of the grid. Nobody cares about the spirit of the rules, everyone is trying to make the cars as fast as possible and they will go to any lengths if they can get away with it.

And of course, hypocrisy is not something the team's fear in F1. We have had so many "feuds" between teams over the years and more often than not, none of the parties involved were 100% clean.

What matters is that they catch these things and don't allow them to run for long. For McLaren, the rear wing was only run for 3 races before they were forced to remove it, but who knows for how long RedBull has been using this "device" or its benefits. Not a good look on FIA to have multiples teams slip through the rules like this within the same season.

I agree with this but we all know how things will be painted now, sport is very much a trial on social media, so once again should Max win, it will be the usual calls of illegal engineering and so on

[CjC]

It could explain Verstappens mega pole lap in Spa, then his very average race pace the following day?

[mwillems]

They robbed McLaren of valid wins because of the trick

Dude, you could say the same with their double DRS rear wing, it’s all about pushing boundaries in this sport

If ride height was changed inside parc fermé using this device then it isn't similar to the McLaren rear wing. It would be completely illegal, not just a grey area.

Indeed, the only grey area is not if it is wrong, but it if was utilised.

Fair play to Red Bull for giving it a go, but have to say, it is disappointing but not surprising. It is part of the sport but I hope it isn't something my own team would do.

[Joel709]

They robbed McLaren of valid wins because of the trick

Dude, you could say the same with their double DRS rear wing, it’s all about pushing boundaries in this sport

If ride height was changed inside parc fermé using this device then it isn't similar to the McLaren rear wing. It would be completely illegal, not just a grey area.

Redbull and the fia are still claiming it has not been used to break parc ferme rules, only that it exists, it’s available to all the cars as it’s a public part.

But in comparison, this device and a double DRS rear wing are both as against the regulations as eachother.

[organic]

It could explain Verstappens mega pole lap in Spa, then his very average race pace the following day?

Yeah for sure. Also Austria mega pole lap?

[Emag]

It could explain Verstappens mega pole lap in Spa, then his very average race pace the following day?

A bit of a stretch. Qualifying was mixed-rainy conditions and Max couldn't really show his best pace on the race because of the starting position.

A race like Singapore is actually more "telling". Max had pretty good pace in qualifying for a car that at points was losing ~1s per lap in the first stint against Lando.