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“not alterable once it’s on the car” … so they’ve installed hardware on the racecar (adding weight to it) that has no function and does not operate when in/on the car? Does that mean it only works when off the car?
This is taking with a grain of salt that RBR have not used it between parc ferme quali and the race .
It is not coding/computer controlled. At least from my understanding.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2024, 23:35Can anyone explain, is it that everyone has this means to automatically alter suspension through a device, or that an additional device to control it (located in the cockpit) has been found through the code.
My understanding was some additional means from the cockpit that isn't there on other cars, hence my belief around weight.
Because if this is something everyone has, and the only difference was the position of a controller, then why was the coding so different that it raised concerns?
Had that thought in my post above.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑18 Oct 2024, 07:04It is not coding/computer controlled. At least from my understanding.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2024, 23:35Can anyone explain, is it that everyone has this means to automatically alter suspension through a device, or that an additional device to control it (located in the cockpit) has been found through the code.
My understanding was some additional means from the cockpit that isn't there on other cars, hence my belief around weight.
Because if this is something everyone has, and the only difference was the position of a controller, then why was the coding so different that it raised concerns?
It was noticed in the open source documents/specifications of parts that all teams have to share (to make big investments in unimportant parts not worth it because they have to share the design).
It could be as simple as a removable panel behind which is an adjustment screw or similar.
Nice, thanks. So this is an additional control device, do other teams have this device but somewhere else, or do they not have this control device and they simply plug into the bib raising/lowering mechanism to control it?FittingMechanics wrote: ↑18 Oct 2024, 07:04It is not coding/computer controlled. At least from my understanding.mwillems wrote: ↑17 Oct 2024, 23:35Can anyone explain, is it that everyone has this means to automatically alter suspension through a device, or that an additional device to control it (located in the cockpit) has been found through the code.
My understanding was some additional means from the cockpit that isn't there on other cars, hence my belief around weight.
Because if this is something everyone has, and the only difference was the position of a controller, then why was the coding so different that it raised concerns?
It was noticed in the open source documents/specifications of parts that all teams have to share (to make big investments in unimportant parts not worth it because they have to share the design).
It could be as simple as a removable panel behind which is an adjustment screw or similar.
What a low quality post with a lot of insinuations. They solved the porpoising through the smart solutions of the hundreds of engineers in the vehicle dynamics and aero departments. Already in the 2nd week of testin in 2021. This device was changed just before Singapore. RB has not been the best until Miami 2024 because they can have a lower floor in qualy and correct for the race.Andi76 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2024, 08:29Red Bull fits like a glove. The concept with the extremely high roll stiffness and in general the whole underbody concept with the high tunnel roof, the lack of porpoising, the mystery of how Red Bull can drive so low and the sudden big jumps in qualifying on Saturday, where you wondered how it could be that they were so far away on one day and then suddenly found themselves at the front again in qualifying and, according to Dr. Marko, suddenly found a lot of time again "overnight". Suddenly all the questions and puzzles about these "big jumps" during the night are more or less answered and everything makes sense and fits together. As for the explanations that you can't use the system once the car is assembled - that doesn't make it any better! If you invent such a system, you also design it so that it can be accessed in a few minutes with just a few simple steps. And if you have such a system, then of course you use it accordingly, otherwise you wouldn't put it on the car in the first place. And the question of whether you use it during a period that is definitely illegal, i.e. when the parc ferme rule is in force, in a world that is all about pure competition, performance and pressure to succeed, is one that I think everyone can answer for themselves. Unfortunately, it will not be possible to prove on the basis of pure circumstantial evidence whether Red Bull broke the parc ferme rule that Bernie and Max introduced in 2003 to harm Ferrari and take away one of their advantages. Either way, the whole thing leaves a stale aftertaste in relation to Red Bull, because there are countless moments where you wonder how this is possible beforehand and which now, with knowledge of this system and assuming that it was used accordingly, paint a perfect picture. And this image is more reminiscent of completely black, not gray things like hidden fuel/ballast tanks or devices for raising and lowering the vehicle height.
Sure, Red Bull will always say that they didn't use it at Parc Ferme and that it's not accessible, but sorry - as I said before, if you have such a system on the car you make sure it's accessible in a few minutes and of course you will and want to use it accordingly. If at the end of the day it's a matter of winning or losing, especially in F1, and if obviously nobody has a clue, then this option will be used accordingly. Anything else is naive.