2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 09:13
Leclerc definitely missed the Sprint Pole if we look at sectors in isolation. He was exceptionally quick after the back straight and I suspect his mistake saved him tyres. Apparently, there are two corners with old asphalt which is where everyone seems to be making mistakes in the snake over bumps
So did both Mercs. Russell lost 2 tenths to Hamilton in T1, and he was 0.012 off pole. Hamilton got unlucky with the yellow flag, hew was in the 24s in S1, closest to him was VER 25.1. They seem to work really well in the cooler conditions. The sprint is much earlier so they might struggle in the sprint, GPQ is really late so they might come alive again, depending on how the sprint goes, and they don't make big setup changes in the meantime.

I think if Charles puts a lap together, he can be on the front row at best, but I think in the cooler conditions the quali pace is not there for us. Unless they make setup changes or change the out lap a bit, I think pole position is a tough ask.

His “mistake” in SQ3 was just the car bottoming out, I presume he could take it a tad bit easier through there, but a time loss seems inevitable. I hate how shite we are on the soft tyre in comparison to the harder compounds.

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It's unfortunate qualifying is so late in the day. It will be warmer today in Austin overall and Ferrari could've used that boost. Almost all of the SF-24's issues can be traced back to the softer compound, since it appears the bouncing is no longer a limiting factor.

Vasseur and the drivers were insistent pole was not a possibility due to the temperatures. (Despite people in other threads saying Leclerc could've gotten pole...) This doesn't give me much optimism for today's qualifying, but they seem to have an advantage in the long runs and maybe they can use that to execute something magical in the race. If Leclerc qualifies second row for Sunday, it'll be a good test of their strategy team.

Both drivers gaining even just one position in the sprint that would be great. Norris not doing as expected yesterday and the subsequent WDC discourse shows why every single point is so important!

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 12:57
It's unfortunate qualifying is so late in the day. It will be warmer today in Austin overall and Ferrari could've used that boost. Almost all of the SF-24's issues can be traced back to the softer compound, since it appears the bouncing is no longer a limiting factor.

Vasseur and the drivers were insistent pole was not a possibility and they implied that the mistakes in the lap arose because of the poor handling. This doesn't give me much optimism for today's qualifying, but they seem to have an advantage in the long runs and maybe they can use that to execute something magical in the race. If Leclerc qualifies second row for Sunday, it'll be a good test of their strategy team.

Both drivers gaining even just one position in the sprint that would be great. Norris not doing as expected yesterday and the subsequent WDC discourse shows why every single point is so important!
McLaren are quick, don't be fooled by the result. Norris made a mistake in turn 19 which cost him 3 tenths by down shifting once too many.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 13:04
McLaren are quick, don't be fooled by the result. Norris made a mistake in turn 19 which cost him 3 tenths by down shifting once too many.
Yes, I expect Ferrari to be a firm 4th best in qualifying since it's in the evening. But second row is still a possibility if for example Norris makes another mistake. And from there the SF-24 has options for how to gain positions.

I don't anticipate Piastri randomly going out in Q1 though which will add one more roadblock.

Baku and Singapore had some small hiccups but these days I'm confident in the team's strategy. The Singapore race, Monza, and Zandvoort were all well executed. Putting Austin 2023 behind us? (Sorry for bringing up past traumas :lol:)

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 12:26
I think if Charles puts a lap together, he can be on the front row at best, but I think in the cooler conditions the quali pace is not there for us. Unless they make setup changes or change the out lap a bit, I think pole position is a tough ask.

His “mistake” in SQ3 was just the car bottoming out, I presume he could take it a tad bit easier through there, but a time loss seems inevitable. I hate how shite we are on the soft tyre in comparison to the harder compounds.
Agreed, SF24 is simply not a beast in Q unless it has outright speed advatage. Will be interesting to see how Sprint turns out and how RB and McL behave, I wouldn't be surprised if they won't be as good at the end of the stint
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So if we presume that this problem with the soft tires deformation is actually what is causing some of the issues in qualifying, how do you even go about fixing it? It sounds like a very complicated issue

https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-attenua- ... -reagendo/

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Dropping track temperature towards the end didn’t help for sure. Same goes for the snaps from Leclerc in S1 which arguably lost him P1. I think they’ll further do some tweaks to the setup so I don’t think the oversteer in the snake section will be an issue in the main qualifying anymore. Predicting pole or P2 for Leclerc in qualifying.

As for the sprint itself Leclerc should be able to overtake Russell. Wether he can catch Verstappen or not will depend on the amount of time lost behind Russell.

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The W15 seems quite handy on the straight so overtaking Russell needs to happen on lap 1-2

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what reason is there to believe that Ferrari will be quicker than Mercedes?

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search wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:20
what reason is there to believe that Ferrari will be quicker than Mercedes?
Race sims, past races where Mercs qualified in front and then slipped back, past races where Ferrari's race pace was superior to their quali pace.

It's been the story of the season more or less.

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dialtone wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:31
search wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:20
what reason is there to believe that Ferrari will be quicker than Mercedes?
Race sims, past races where Mercs qualified in front and then slipped back, past races where Ferrari's race pace was superior to their quali pace.

It's been the story of the season more or less.
I would be surprised if this is the case this weekend as well, on a much better track for Mercedes, and with an upgrade that seems to work well.

Ferrari didn't really do any race- or even sprint-sims, by the way.

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deadhead wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:03
The W15 seems quite handy on the straight so overtaking Russell needs to happen on lap 1-2
nah, Charle will overtake Gorge when merc tyres go off.
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search wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:20
what reason is there to believe that Ferrari will be quicker than Mercedes?
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yooogurt wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:46
search wrote:
19 Oct 2024, 17:20
what reason is there to believe that Ferrari will be quicker than Mercedes?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaMXGNMXYAA ... name=large
just because you delete the fast laps, it doesn't make it a high fuel run.

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It's some kind of test for the sprint, but not at representative fuel loads.
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The actual wing that appeared on the red one (intended only for Charles Leclair) is equipped with two upper flaps of the same design as the version raced in Singapore, but of a completely different construction. The weave of the carbon fibers has been modified to favor programmed curves that should help find a good balance between low-mileage sections (maximum drop) and high-speed sections (minimum drag).
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10664388/
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