Who cares about P2?basti313 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:57Why? With the current trajectory he rather needs to look at Leclerc.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:51Hopefully this reminds Norris on how he needs to race Verstappen.
Thought it would be P1 to loose for Norris after the summer break. But now it is more likely to loose P2 to Lec than any chance on P1. Think this fish is done unfortunately.
Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?mwillems wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:00But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:57But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).
What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.
Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.
All of this happened in Austria.
Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.
Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.
I have to disagree on the "only way". Lando needs to stop to be a Perez and just execute. The "only way" to get by was in the first laps when he reached DRS. At this point Max was already in 100% defensive mode with a 90% charged battery every time they reached the long straight, so he had low pace on the rest of the track just from deployment.mwillems wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:00But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:57But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).
What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.
Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.
All of this happened in Austria.
Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.
Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.
Tight indeed, and great until the incident. The problem is that he is abusing this everytime he is slower though and someone should grow a pair at FIA and do something about it.mwillems wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:02Was a tight race with Max, though, eh!
Stewards should have given 5 second penalty to both. To Max for forcing another driver off (because he didn't make the corner) and to Lando for gaining an advantage. They need to start policing these "let off the brakes to force other driver off" defenses.JRindt wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:06"We were just fighting, he got me in 12 outside the track limits when we both ran wide but I think that was his last strike with track limits," says Verstappen.
Verstappen himself admits that both of them went wide and thinks that the penalty was for track limits. Absolute joke of a decision by stewards.
It was his corner, it wasn't even close, he was half a car length ahead at the apex and owned the line.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:05Who cares about P2?basti313 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:57Why? With the current trajectory he rather needs to look at Leclerc.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:51Hopefully this reminds Norris on how he needs to race Verstappen.
Thought it would be P1 to loose for Norris after the summer break. But now it is more likely to loose P2 to Lec than any chance on P1. Think this fish is done unfortunately.
Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?mwillems wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:00But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 22:57
But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).
What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.
Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.
All of this happened in Austria.
Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.
Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.
It isn't really.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 23:15Mclaren has to appeal because this whole thing is scandalous.