2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Let's not overthink it. Mclaren should try to appeal the decision and reverse the grid order and if they don't manage that simply use Oscar Piastri as a kamikaze to sent Max crashing to the barriers two times. Fight fire with fire.

[FittingMechanics]

Hopefully this reminds Norris on how he needs to race Verstappen.

Why? With the current trajectory he rather needs to look at Leclerc.
Thought it would be P1 to loose for Norris after the summer break. But now it is more likely to loose P2 to Lec than any chance on P1. Think this fish is done unfortunately.

Who cares about P2?

You need to be further ahead to get that.

That corner is such that if you're on the inside you can easily manage the space before the apex.

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?

[basti313]

You need to be further ahead to get that.

That corner is such that if you're on the inside you can easily manage the space before the apex.

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

I have to disagree on the "only way". Lando needs to stop to be a Perez and just execute. The "only way" to get by was in the first laps when he reached DRS. At this point Max was already in 100% defensive mode with a 90% charged battery every time they reached the long straight, so he had low pace on the rest of the track just from deployment.
It took how many laps? 4 or 5 until the first time he was sub 0.5sec at the DRS point, until then his tires were cooking for the attempt. No matter if inside or outside, you do not outbreak Verstappen with cooking tires.

[JRindt]

"We were just fighting, he got me in 12 outside the track limits when we both ran wide but I think that was his last strike with track limits," says Verstappen.

Verstappen himself admits that both of them went wide and thinks that the penalty was for track limits. Absolute joke of a decision by stewards.

[Swed3121]

The team definately must go and appear this decision.

You forget that the only thing more incompetent, racist and corrupt than the national socialist party is the FIA

Dude, you're actually worse than Darth Peikus for saltiness.

It will probably get deleted soon.

[proteus]

Can the team actually do something about it post race and appeal the decision?

They can appeal, but stupidity of stewards will prevent a good result coming out of it. Stewards decided divebomb defending is legal and it just shows how they are utterly clueless about the situation. I think they want a big crash next time.

Was a tight race with Max, though, eh!

Tight indeed, and great until the incident. The problem is that he is abusing this everytime he is slower though and someone should grow a pair at FIA and do something about it.

On the other note you remember my prediction? Only Perez got me wrong a little bit

[FittingMechanics]

"We were just fighting, he got me in 12 outside the track limits when we both ran wide but I think that was his last strike with track limits," says Verstappen.

Verstappen himself admits that both of them went wide and thinks that the penalty was for track limits. Absolute joke of a decision by stewards.

Stewards should have given 5 second penalty to both. To Max for forcing another driver off (because he didn't make the corner) and to Lando for gaining an advantage. They need to start policing these "let off the brakes to force other driver off" defenses.

That would be normal. Problem with that is that it would put Max behind Piastri.

[Marc.W]

Well if it's any consolation, Ferrari are pretty much guaranteed to take P2 in the WCC away from Red Bull, thankfully I didn't get too invested in the WDC challenge so I'm not disappointed Lando didn't clost the gap, I'm disappointed at the FIA and how Max continues to race "wheel to wheel"

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Both left the track so I don't understand why just Norris got penalty.

[Darth-Piekus]

I am simply empty so why care anymore? It's decided that Max would be a 4 times world champion by any means nessesary so for Mclaren we should take the constructors championship to shove it into the face of everyone. Next year make a car that is so much faster than the rest that Max won't be able to even battle with neither of the Mclarens.

[Ben1980]

Watching Sky. The penalty is probably fair. But, also, I still think gunning it and hoping was the best option.

But..I wish Oscar was there to challenge Max after Lando gunned it.

[ScottR267]

Watching Sky. The penalty is probably fair. But, also, I still think gunning it and hoping was the best option.

Very good analysis by Ant there

[mwillems]

Hopefully this reminds Norris on how he needs to race Verstappen.

Why? With the current trajectory he rather needs to look at Leclerc.
Thought it would be P1 to loose for Norris after the summer break. But now it is more likely to loose P2 to Lec than any chance on P1. Think this fish is done unfortunately.

Who cares about P2?

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?

It was his corner, it wasn't even close, he was half a car length ahead at the apex and owned the line.

Max is just brilliant, that's all that happened today. The better driver won.

[Darth-Piekus]

Mclaren has to appeal because this whole thing is scandalous.

[Ben1980]

Mclaren has to appeal because this whole thing is scandalous.

It isn't really.