2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[.Bole]

Charles had to lift and coast for majority of hard stint, no clue way. Then last 8 laps he had backmarkers

[bananapeel23]

Wow, looking at the telemetry, it looks a lot closer in pace to Ferrari than I realised. Lando is quicker in all 4 of the final laps than Charles once he is in clean air and is .25 quicker than Charles fastest lap. Who know what pace Charles had in hand but we were very far from slow.

Lando had something like a 10 lap tyre delta. I thought he would have a bigger advantage.

He'd wrung the life out of his tyres fighting Max. You can see that even on the very old Mediums he was able to match the leading Hard runners for a while. That's why I'm saying, T1 killed us.

Honestly I think this is a bit too hopeful. Ferrari were simply just much quicker, and it showed in both the sprint and the race. Yes, they were much better on the mediums, but they were still comfortably better on the hards as well.

[mwillems]

Lando had something like a 10 lap tyre delta. I thought he would have a bigger advantage.

He'd wrung the life out of his tyres fighting Max. You can see that even on the very old Mediums he was able to match the leading Hard runners for a while. That's why I'm saying, T1 killed us.

Honestly I think this is a bit too hopeful. Ferrari were simply just much quicker, and it showed in both the sprint and the race. Yes, they were much better on the mediums, but they were still comfortably better on the hards as well.

Sprint doesn't have anything to do with it, it is a different setup. I wouldn't suggest they were comfortably better, otherwise Sainz would have been pulling a gap to Max, but around 4.5-5 seconds was the best he could do. Lando actually closed time on him, despite fighting Max. If Sainz could have done more, he would have.

[bananapeel23]

He'd wrung the life out of his tyres fighting Max. You can see that even on the very old Mediums he was able to match the leading Hard runners for a while. That's why I'm saying, T1 killed us.

Honestly I think this is a bit too hopeful. Ferrari were simply just much quicker, and it showed in both the sprint and the race. Yes, they were much better on the mediums, but they were still comfortably better on the hards as well.

Sprint doesn't have anything to do with it, it is a different setup. I wouldn't suggest they were comfortably better, otherwise Sainz would have been pulling a gap to Max, but around 4.5-5 seconds was the best he could do. Lando actually closed time on him, despite fighting Max. If Sainz could have done more, he would have.

You can't say McLaren were as quick as Ferrari because Lando was almost as fast as Sainz (with an even larger tyre delta than he had against Leclerc, might I add). Leclerc is the benchmark. Lando wasn't even close.

It's like saying Haas was as fast as Red Bull becuase Hulkenberg was close to Perez.

[Balalu]

Max went off track too. Had he tried to make the corner within track boundries, Lando would have overtaken him. This is what the stewards have ignored.

What about the divebomb in T1, lap 1? He didn't even make the corner. It being lap 1 is no excuse.

Besides, what happend to track limits yesterday? Surely, Max should have had a lap deleted (Q2?).

I think it's the stewards who should be investigated at this GP.

[mwillems]

Honestly I think this is a bit too hopeful. Ferrari were simply just much quicker, and it showed in both the sprint and the race. Yes, they were much better on the mediums, but they were still comfortably better on the hards as well.

Sprint doesn't have anything to do with it, it is a different setup. I wouldn't suggest they were comfortably better, otherwise Sainz would have been pulling a gap to Max, but around 4.5-5 seconds was the best he could do. Lando actually closed time on him, despite fighting Max. If Sainz could have done more, he would have.

You can't say McLaren were as quick as Ferrari because Lando was almost as fast as Sainz (with an even larger tyre delta than he had against Leclerc, might I add). Leclerc is the benchmark. Lando wasn't even close.

It's like saying Haas was as fast as Red Bull becuase Hulkenberg was close to Perez.

No, it's not. Carlos is much closer to Charles than Perez to Max.

Edit: also I didn't say we were as quick as Ferrari, I said we weren't that slow in comparison

[BMMR61]

What on earth are (some of) you guys talking about???!!! I've had my early morning review as if in real time and watched the race develop. Some of you here need to look back at how hyperbolic and silly your comments are and feel embarrassed. Some of the accusations are, frankly, deserving of a look by the mods. People seem to think because we are McLaren we deserve to be winning, always. If we aren't, the sulking and moaning starts, I hope you guys know who you are and grow into some big boy (or girl) pants. Rant over.

So the McLaren pace missing on Friday, (predictably enough) returned over the weekend. Lando showed he is very quick but still short of the top shelf in race craft. The first lap dive-bomb was so obvious yet he chose to wave Max through. After that Lando was decent in all regards, except, his unwillingness to take the inside pass and force Max off the edge of the track as was done to him (legally but arguably unfairly).

Oscar came in for a lot of criticism and he was the first to admit the car setup was a struggle for him. Yet in only his second season he kept his team leader (he who must be favoured now) less than 5 seconds ahead, looked after his tyres and came home strongly to pick up valuable points. If you consider how good Sainz was this weekend it's something to say McLaren have the best driver pairing. I hope the rule makers take a close look at how divebombing is (a) legal, and (b) inconsistently judged. Forcing another car off the track should take precedence over almost every other rule, especially regarding overtaking, otherwise divebombing will become a complete defence for anything other than DRS overtakes. Hope everyone enjoyed their Monday morning.

[BMMR61]

Yeah, and as a final addendum, I'd say (taking off my orange cap) that overall the stewards were either utterly appalling, or, hampered by a set of rules which are not fit for purpose. "FORCING ANOTHER DRIVER OFF THE TRACK" was policed inconsistently and if this isn't addressed soon we will get the near impossibility of clean overtaking, AND some bad accidents on tracks with higher speed overtaking opportunities than Austin presented.

[FittingMechanics]

Well said. If we ignore the VER-NOR incident we can have plenty of positives after a tough weekend.

Car looked to get better, especially after losing first batch of fuel from the car. Both McLarens were first matching the top guys on new hards, then they were slightly slower but all was good. They were put in a good position in case of a SC or VSC and built up a tyre delta (both to fight them after pitstop and to have better tyres is SC brings them closer together). Overall pace, probably P2 car in the race. I do think Ferrari held some pace back, Leclerc wasn't sure why he was managing, I think it was probably because they wanted to keep track position in case of SC so he needs best tyres he can get.

On a tough weekend, Lando got P3 in sprint, pole and somewhat unlucky P4 in the race. I'll take it. WDC is not possible if VER doesn't have a DNF but with how he is fighting (against Sainz as well), who knows what happens.

Oscar had bad qualifying sessions but he was good in both the sprint and the race. In the race, he was very closely matching Norris on lap times throughout the race. Very good showing.

[FittingMechanics]

Oscar came in for a lot of criticism and he was the first to admit the car setup was a struggle for him. Yet in only his second season he kept his team leader (he who must be favoured now) less than 5 seconds ahead, looked after his tyres and came home strongly to pick up valuable points. If you consider how good Sainz was this weekend it's something to say McLaren have the best driver pairing. I hope the rule makers take a close look at how divebombing is (a) legal, and (b) inconsistently judged. Forcing another car off the track should take precedence over almost every other rule, especially regarding overtaking, otherwise divebombing will become a complete defence for anything other than DRS overtakes. Hope everyone enjoyed their Monday morning.

This is what I don't get, they want better racing and more overtakes and yet they allow "driver ahead at apex" to force other driver off. Why not say you have to leave a space? If someone is alongside, no pushing him wide. Reason why drivers nowadays always defend the inside like their life depends on it is because of that rule. If you are on the inside, you can often time push people off.

Change the rules, we want them to stay side by side so no point in allowing defending driver to push people off legally.

[Darth-Piekus]

I am sick with a flu from Friday and I feel really spent in terms of energy regarding F1 since its already decided who should be WDC.

[Watto]

Oscar came in for a lot of criticism and he was the first to admit the car setup was a struggle for him. Yet in only his second season he kept his team leader (he who must be favoured now) less than 5 seconds ahead, looked after his tyres and came home strongly to pick up valuable points. If you consider how good Sainz was this weekend it's something to say McLaren have the best driver pairing. I hope the rule makers take a close look at how divebombing is (a) legal, and (b) inconsistently judged. Forcing another car off the track should take precedence over almost every other rule, especially regarding overtaking, otherwise divebombing will become a complete defence for anything other than DRS overtakes. Hope everyone enjoyed their Monday morning.

This is what I don't get, they want better racing and more overtakes and yet they allow "driver ahead at apex" to force other driver off. Why not say you have to leave a space? If someone is alongside, no pushing him wide. Reason why drivers nowadays always defend the inside like their life depends on it is because of that rule. If you are on the inside, you can often time push people off.

Change the rules, we want them to stay side by side so no point in allowing defending driver to push people off legally.

Does that open too many questions though? dive bomb down the inside where you know you won't actually make the corner but know you've got yo leave space and force someone off the optimum line. If the genuine racing line was wider turn in. they are forced wide off the true racing line. Does it then invite somthing like the Max/Lewis Silderstone incident in 2021 (and I do think Max had some fault in there) But it was almost designed as a give me space or we crash, even though you're taking the racing line. Sure Lewis makes the corner but almost forces in that case Max to yield and tuck in behind Lewis knowing you can't take the optimum line.

Don't get me wrong - I think there needs a change in guidelines as right now they are poor. Just I think it need to be carefully though out.

[BMMR61]

I am sick with a flu from Friday and I feel really spent in terms of energy regarding F1 since its already decided who should be WDC.

Does that explain your continual pessimism about the racing? Is who wins the sole reason for your interest here?

My mother used to say when, as a schoolboy, I was off to the races "just enjoy the racing and don't worry about all the other stuff". Maybe she was right. If we can't enjoy an extraordinary season like F1 in 2024 because our driver or team didn't win then, what does that say?

[FittingMechanics]

I am sick with a flu from Friday and I feel really spent in terms of energy regarding F1 since its already decided who should be WDC.

Does that explain your continual pessimism about the racing? Is who wins the sole reason for your interest here?

My mother used to say when, as a schoolboy, I was off to the races "just enjoy the racing and don't worry about all the other stuff". Maybe she was right. If we can't enjoy an extraordinary season like F1 in 2024 because our driver or team didn't win then, what does that say?

It's important to keep things into perspective. We did not come into the season expecting to fight for WCC or WDC and yet here we are, looking with a decent chance of getting WCC and being still in the running for WDC (although unlikely).

Let's not doom and gloom. This is an amazing season so far with plenty positives. Drivers will learn a lot from it, the team will learn a lot from it and hopefully we can build on this for the future.

Anytime you are mad about the result, remember how it looked few years ago.

[basti313]

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Change the rules, we want them to stay side by side so no point in allowing defending driver to push people off legally.

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Don't get me wrong - I think there needs a change in guidelines as right now they are poor. Just I think it need to be carefully though out.

I guess you are missing, that there was a constant change of rules. First Mercedes introduced some nonsense to judge the battles between Rosberg and Hamilton, which the FIA took over (remember the Powerpoints?). Since then the show is spoiled with a new rule every year. That we are now sitting here discussing this bull$hit with "who is ahead at the apex" is a result of Silverstone 21 and not being able to agree on simple rules, that otherwise are present in any other racing series without issues.
For example in any other racing series they do not discuss the point, if you rotate your opponent by driving into his rear wheel, you drive through the pits. Simple and fine everywhere. In F1 we need to check if the front wheel was ahead at the apex, so that we know if you are allowed to rotate your opponent or not
Same goes for leaving space. F1 is the only racing series, that allows not to leave space...by the rules!
For me the worst part is even Toto nasty commenting on this madness he created...

I don`t know, I am a bit sick of these rule changes. Since Merc started the madness in 2015, it simply did not get better, just worse from year to year. I would say leave it, not more bull$it, please...