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Looks like 2008
Lawson and Yuki is a perfect fit for RBR, as the team always like to put a non-Europe based driver at RBR.
Lawson finished 10s behind Perez in the RB. Perez knows where the catering money went, that's why he's there.
Not that long ago; 2021 actually.
Piquet didn't win any championship in 1982, he won in 81,83 and 87. And he won in 83 with the 3rd placed car and that was mostly because his team mate Patrese retired 10 times instead of the typical 3-4 from top teams. In the races where he retired, failures or errors, Patrese was usually in the top 3 when it happened, and the races where he finished 2 of 5 he was on podium with 1 win (where actually Piquet let him win after Prost retired).continuum16 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 05:50Not that long ago; 2021 actually.
As far as last time WDC drove a car 3rd or worse in WCC?
Piquet 1982 I think with Brabham P3 behind Ferrari and Renault. So extremely uncommon.
Seems like they moved the balance a bit towards understeer, to protect the rear tires.
you sound literally like an everage american redditor at /formula1 that came from dts.
What team gives up a championship win so that they might win one later? Makes zero sense.
yes, yes, we know. max trash, lec good. same old, same old.dialtone wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 06:16Piquet didn't win any championship in 1982, he won in 81,83 and 87. And he won in 83 with the 3rd placed car and that was mostly because his team mate Patrese retired 10 times instead of the typical 3-4 from top teams. In the races where he retired, failures or errors, Patrese was usually in the top 3 when it happened, and the races where he finished 2 of 5 he was on podium with 1 win (where actually Piquet let him win after Prost retired).continuum16 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 05:50Not that long ago; 2021 actually.
As far as last time WDC drove a car 3rd or worse in WCC?
Piquet 1982 I think with Brabham P3 behind Ferrari and Renault. So extremely uncommon.
That was a great car, like the RB20 is a great car that won 7 at the start and all the sprints. Don't try to spin this as Max is somehow winning while driving a tractor again, it's a fantasy, he made enough bank from those 7 wins that he can coast now, the closest GP winner is LEC or NOR with 3 wins.
ispano6 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 05:14Ignore him. He says Tsunoda plateaud where as in truth Liam was over aggressive against Yuki and didn't allow his teammate to take him out. Liam isn't afraid to take out Yuki so Yuki must be smart and make Liam take himself out. Liam has had plenty of time to study Yuki and he has driven the RB20 so he has no excuses to be slow against Yuki.Bill wrote: ↑12 Oct 2024, 15:00either lawson is a junior drive or not. then if he is then his place is at vcarb he can't just be parachuted into the redbull seat. i sense fear astonishing level of hypocrisy.people were saying last year that yuki should vacate his seat and give it to lawson because he is no good,now Lawson has a seat but they dont want him anywhere near yuki.do think he can survive max.venkyhere wrote: ↑12 Oct 2024, 08:23
Lawson is yet to sharpen his skills, because that can come only from real life experience. Yuki has had more than enough 'soak time' in F1 (thanks to Honda) that his skill level has plateau-ed already. If Lawson finishes behind Yuki for the remaining 6 races, and for that reason alone isn't given the RedBull seat, it wouldn't be a fair assessment, because if just after half a season Lawson is suddenly driving better than Yuki, he would be wasted in the VCARB, where he could have served better in a faster Redbull instead.
There is no experience like the experience from racing at highest level.Bill wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 13:33yuki and lawson have been teammates in multiple racing categories ,so what you are saying is just nonsense.they is a vast body of evidence to compare the twovenkyhere wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 13:38He is a junior driver. A guy with practically no experience, who matched up to Tsunoda in 2023. That means the rookie has far more 'raw talent' than Tsunoda.Bill wrote: ↑12 Oct 2024, 15:00
either lawson is a junior drive or not. then if he is then his place is at vcarb he can't just be parachuted into the redbull seat. i sense fear astonishing level of hypocrisy.people were saying last year that yuki should vacate his seat and give it to lawson because he is no good,now Lawson has a seat but they dont want him anywhere near yuki.do think he can survive max.
Tsunoda has 'matured' temperamentally in 2024 (the best season he has had, according to me) and has been consistent.
If the rookie and the experienced driver are given a 6 race shootout match for the 2nd Redbull seat (as announced by Marko), in a car with a terribly narrow operating window, there is 50% chance experience finishes ahead of raw talent and 50% chance vice versa.
My take is, in case experience finishes ahead and Tsunoda is given the Redbull seat, and 5-6 races into 2025, Lawson is suddenly driving superlatively well, in an inferior car, what would they do about it ? Allow them to continue as it is ?
Because, according to my gut feel, some 10-12 races are what someone like Lawson will need to dominate Tsunoda, especially because this is a ground effect car, where the probability of "setting it up optimally" is low - and driver experience matters big big time, in setting up the car.
I want Lawson in the 2nd Redbull seat. He is a proper talent, much unlike Tsunoda who is average, at best. But Helmut Marko is giving him a shootout match to prove himself. The whole Ricciardo comeback into VCARB has royally screwed the young guy's career prospects.