2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

So too early to say who's better here. Mclaren tends to find a lot overnight not to mention hiding pace in Friday all the time.

Regarding the appeal has there been an official result?

[BMMR61]

Pirelli should not get these disruptive tyre tests within a GP weekend. Is it really necessary? A separate test day on the Monday would be far more useful in these days of limited testing. What a ridiculous day 1 this was, 5 rookies in FP1 (5 regular drivers lost the most meaningful Friday session) then an FP2 which was more than just compromised, it was ruined. Whatever Max's problems were, his compromised running was negated by the compromises of the session. That guy never cops anything but good luck and favourable decisions - this in spite of my belief that you make your own luck!

[BMMR61]

So too early to say who's better here. Mclaren tends to find a lot overnight not to mention hiding pace in Friday all the time.

Regarding the appeal has there been an official result?

Calm down chap. Nobody thinks for a moment that the appeal will even be allowed ("no NEW evidence presented") and no clear report from the FIA. Ignore the whole saga, it will change nothing. Max continuing to charge his competitors completely off the track is irrelevant to these officials. Inconsistency? They will never allow the hint of incompetence in their officialdom.

[Darth-Piekus]

Yeah ok no worries. I never expected them to admit their mistakes and correct them. The FIA that usually favors a team or a driver never does that. In any case I can't wait to see what more can they find tomorrow in terms of pace. All I am hoping from now on is Norris and Oscar to race Max just as hard and especially Oscar. Let him feel scared of a possible points loss. On the other hand though better not overfocus on Max. We need to keep outscoring Ferrari as they are also on the game.

Considering Mexico has a huge straight wouldn't it be better if we start 2nd and use the slipstream?

[continuum16]

Pirelli should not get these disruptive tyre tests within a GP weekend. Is it really necessary? A separate test day on the Monday would be far more useful in these days of limited testing. What a ridiculous day 1 this was, 5 rookies in FP1 (5 regular drivers lost the most meaningful Friday session) then an FP2 which was more than just compromised, it was ruined. Whatever Max's problems were, his compromised running was negated by the compromises of the session. That guy never cops anything but good luck and favourable decisions - this in spite of my belief that you make your own luck!

Perhaps if the geniuses at FOM didn’t schedule a triple header the teams could afford to stay extra days.

Also, I’m not sure that Max/RB missing out on 2025 Pirelli data is a plus for them in the long run.

[Dunlay]

Pirelli should not get these disruptive tyre tests within a GP weekend. Is it really necessary? A separate test day on the Monday would be far more useful in these days of limited testing. What a ridiculous day 1 this was, 5 rookies in FP1 (5 regular drivers lost the most meaningful Friday session) then an FP2 which was more than just compromised, it was ruined. Whatever Max's problems were, his compromised running was negated by the compromises of the session. That guy never cops anything but good luck and favourable decisions - this in spite of my belief that you make your own luck!

Perhaps if the geniuses at FOM didn’t schedule a triple header the teams could afford to stay extra days.

Also, I’m not sure that Max/RB missing out on 2025 Pirelli data is a plus for them in the long run.

Why do Pirelli need testing? I don't understand. They would come up with a substandard product anyway.

[Watto]

Rejected

[LionsHeart]

Rejected

Not surprised.

[BMMR61]

I'm OK about them making a decision which doesn't favour my team but...... where's the detail? When is there going to be an acknowledgement that at least an adjustment in the rules/guidelines. Something is clearly needed to "clean up" confusion, and to stipulate that barging an opponent off track is a more punishable crime than gaining an advantage while being barged off the track???

[dialtone]

Rejected

Legitimately hilarious.

Basically MCL said: "your ruling was incorrect and that's new information, you said the overtaking car was 4, but really the overtaking car was 1 and thus the rules for overtake are different."
Stewards then: "LMAO, be that as it may, we are like the pope and are infallible, even if the judgement in the statement in the document is wrong, it's inadmissible"

They didn't justify whether or not Max was passed on the straight from their POV, they straight up just say you can't call us wrong on the document.

When you reach the bottom, prepare a shovel.

[CjC]

Nothing is going to change then.
The stewards were always going to find a reason not to review their own decision they obviously have too much pride to admit a mistake.

They could have looked it again and said ‘no there’s no clear evidence to suggest Lando is ahead etc so the penalty stands’ but they just dismiss it straight away.

Madness. We as a sport better brace ourselves for more of this BS this weekend, Mexico often has rough wheel to wheel and it’s inevitable something is going to keep it boiling over as it’s currently in the spotlight.

Yes I am slightly salty fan, if this was happening to another team I wouldn’t have bothered posting.

[CjC]

https://i.imgur.com/ybZe5yw.png

Probably useless to share, because I don't even know if tire compounds are comparable.
Still, they are super slow on the straights at the moment. This is with Leclerc, deficit is even bigger to Carlos. Are they running completely different downforce levels or is this all engine mode?

The % on throttle shows that we were clearly not pushing earlier today.

That said, your chart looks like the normal top.speed gap to Ferrari.

Main straight was almost 10kmh difference to Carlos and about half of that to Leclerc. Still, they're losing under acceleration everywhere. Ferrari should be faster, but not 10kmh faster.

Are you still seeing this lack of top speed on the long run as well?

[Tvetovnato]

Their job was not to review the guidelines, only to judge the situation from the current context of the guidelines, and I think they made it very clear. They say the car on the inside can do whatever the f he wants as long as he send his nose to the apex first, even if he cannot make the corner, which is one of the most retarded rules ever put in a sporting document.

So it is on the teams to ask for a review of the guidelines now, as all coming title fights will end up in situations like this if they do not.

Expect a new hearing of the same sort after Mexico.

[mwillems]

Nothing is going to change then.
The stewards were always going to find a reason not to review their own decision they obviously have too much pride to admit a mistake.

They could have looked it again and said ‘no there’s no clear evidence to suggest Lando is ahead etc so the penalty stands’ but they just dismiss it straight away.

Madness. We as a sport better brace ourselves for more of this BS this weekend, Mexico often has rough wheel to wheel and it’s inevitable something is going to keep it boiling over as it’s currently in the spotlight.

Yes I am slightly salty fan, if this was happening to another team I wouldn’t have bothered posting.

Being ahead doesn't mean the overtake is over and complete.

Last year at Singapore Hamilton got past Lando to make the apex of a corner having totally cleared Lando. He then used the run off at the next corner after and was deemed to be gaining an advantage when he was the overtake looked way more complete than Landos did.

That one worked in Landos favour. So with that lens, this situation was cut and dry gaining an advantage.

It seems the drivers have planned to discuss the application of the rules, so hopefully it will be looked at, but the stewards call was correct as it is today.

[mwillems]

The % on throttle shows that we were clearly not pushing earlier today.

That said, your chart looks like the normal top.speed gap to Ferrari.

Main straight was almost 10kmh difference to Carlos and about half of that to Leclerc. Still, they're losing under acceleration everywhere. Ferrari should be faster, but not 10kmh faster.

Are you still seeing this lack of top speed on the long run as well?

Reverts to the normal gap, 6kph, with all.the caveats around Friday testing.

That said, they had strict run plans so Ferrari do look faster so far.