2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[BMMR61]

As an unashamed Piastri fan I won't let this go. This was his worst race weekend in F1. Some of the thought processes and approaches to his sessions are just OFF! WTF the use of mediums in Q1??? Then when obviously under pressure he did it on his own - he only had to secure top 10-12 to move safely forward to Q2 and he drove it like he'd stolen it! If you watched the onboards his hands were working like a crazy man, he cooked the tyres in half a lap and then half beached it on the kerb.

Then for the race, the obvious was to start on the hards and go deep, it worked for Lawson last week and it would have given him the tyre durability to make his way through the 10-17 positions. No genius required to strategise that. On mediums he had to look after the tyres and by then the Haas drivers had scooted well up the road. The speed the car had to perform DRS overtakes should have made for a better recovery drive. His start was clearly poor and it took him about till lap 10 to clear Zhao! For last place! After witnessing his masterly win at Baku we all thought we were seeing the blossoming of a great career. This was BAAAAD! Real bad. Only good sign was his precise and decisive overtakes are still there. Big debrief coming between Andrea, Oscar and his race engineer. The team need him on the podium and what was regular now looks unlikely.

[dialtone]

Ummm. At monza LEC won with an insane strategy gamble after he was gifted the lead by the battling McLarens, COTA they were gifted the lead by Max, in Mexico, if Lando didn't have Max the Seagull dive-bombing him, he would have been on Carlos's rear wing within a couple laps. Monaco was somewhat dominant but you can't pass there anyway

If my granpa had wheels, he’d be a car. Probably still finishing ahead of Checo.

Sounds like you have no clue how races are won and lost. Hopefully mclaren listens to you.

[Watto]

As an unashamed Piastri fan I won't let this go. This was his worst race weekend in F1. Some of the thought processes and approaches to his sessions are just OFF! WTF the use of mediums in Q1??? Then when obviously under pressure he did it on his own - he only had to secure top 10-12 to move safely forward to Q2 and he drove it like he'd stolen it! If you watched the onboards his hands were working like a crazy man, he cooked the tyres in half a lap and then half beached it on the kerb.

Then for the race, the obvious was to start on the hards and go deep, it worked for Lawson last week and it would have given him the tyre durability to make his way through the 10-17 positions. No genius required to strategise that. On mediums he had to look after the tyres and by then the Haas drivers had scooted well up the road. The speed the car had to perform DRS overtakes should have made for a better recovery drive. His start was clearly poor and it took him about till lap 10 to clear Zhao! For last place! After witnessing his masterly win at Baku we all thought we were seeing the blossoming of a great career. This was BAAAAD! Real bad. Only good sign was his precise and decisive overtakes are still there. Big debrief coming between Andrea, Oscar and his race engineer. The team need him on the podium and what was regular now looks unlikely.

Yep, his last 2 have been pretty poor.

I wonder a little if the recent updates have just made the car a little harder to drive. Still very good but have seeb Lando ave some concerns too but he is making more of it.


I though Piastri would be at least putting pressure on Max near the end but struggled to close the gap to the 2 Hass's.

[BMMR61]

The other half of my own review is concerning Lando. Well driven, but he must be pretty confused about how to deal with the problem of Max. It looks like Max doesn't care about preventing Ferrari and Charles from scoring, Lando has a target on his back and is 24 points greater the challenger to his WDC victory. Lando drove intelligently and seemed to maintain calm despite the injustice he received for the second and third time in a week. He was quick when he needed to be and he maintains his clever use of the tyres. What else could he have achieved? Nothing as Carlos was a masterclass all weekend and was never going to lose. So Lando did all he could be expected to do and is picking up strength under adversity - he will be stronger for it next year.

As I always said, the real battle is for the WCC. The only way Max will lose is if it is self inflicted. That's still possible with a five place [EDIT - grid!] penalty coming at Interlagos if Oscar and the Ferraris fill the necessary positions.

[Watto]

The other half of my own review is concerning Lando. Well driven, but he must be pretty confused about how to deal with the problem of Max. It looks like Max doesn't care about preventing Ferrari and Charles from scoring, Lando has a target on his back and is 24 points greater the challenger to his WDC victory. Lando drove intelligently and seemed to maintain calm despite the injustice he received for the second and third time in a week. He was quick when he needed to be and he maintains his clever use of the tyres. What else could he have achieved? Nothing as Carlos was a masterclass all weekend and was never going to lose. So Lando did all he could be expected to do and is picking up strength under adversity - he will be stronger for it next year.

As I always said, the real battle is for the WCC. The only way Max will lose is if it is self inflicted. That's still possible with a five place [EDIT - grid!] penalty coming at Interlagos if Oscar and the Ferraris fill the necessary positions.

I think Lando is leaning the lessons well here though. I think hes used Max's own tactics against him in T4 by Horners claims Lando was doing 15kmph faster than his quickest lap. Got up and past or at least side by side Max at the corner Apex probably doubtful he made the corner but it forced Max to give him space. I think Max was always happy to allow the 2 Ferrari to win/go 1 2. I suspect too thats why he didn't hand the place back hoping the 2 Ferraris could build a big enough gap.

[genarro]

In the end Maxypad was the winner of this situation. He sabotaged Landos race so that he wasnt able to win the race. Gives me the 1995 vibes with schumacher and his dirty driving.. Lets hope that piastri ups his racing for the remaining races so that we try to bring the constructors title home...

[FittingMechanics]

The other half of my own review is concerning Lando. Well driven, but he must be pretty confused about how to deal with the problem of Max. It looks like Max doesn't care about preventing Ferrari and Charles from scoring, Lando has a target on his back and is 24 points greater the challenger to his WDC victory. Lando drove intelligently and seemed to maintain calm despite the injustice he received for the second and third time in a week. He was quick when he needed to be and he maintains his clever use of the tyres. What else could he have achieved? Nothing as Carlos was a masterclass all weekend and was never going to lose. So Lando did all he could be expected to do and is picking up strength under adversity - he will be stronger for it next year.

As I always said, the real battle is for the WCC. The only way Max will lose is if it is self inflicted. That's still possible with a five place [EDIT - grid!] penalty coming at Interlagos if Oscar and the Ferraris fill the necessary positions.

I think Lando is leaning the lessons well here though. I think hes used Max's own tactics against him in T4 by Horners claims Lando was doing 15kmph faster than his quickest lap. Got up and past or at least side by side Max at the corner Apex probably doubtful he made the corner but it forced Max to give him space. I think Max was always happy to allow the 2 Ferrari to win/go 1 2. I suspect too thats why he didn't hand the place back hoping the 2 Ferraris could build a big enough gap.

This is wrong. Norris was making that corner (T4). It can be easily seen and confirmed by watching onboard of Norris, he straightens the car and is on road and clearly in control, he would have kept two tyres on the road but then Verstappen barges in and Norris bails. This is completely obvious on the onboard.

He would then have a tight line into T5 where Verstappen would be on the outside. I reckon Verstappen would be able to defend in T5 but with these rules who knows.

Don't trust everything people (Horner) say. Use your eyes.

[Marc.W]

Who takes anything Horner says as factual these days?

[Watto]

The other half of my own review is concerning Lando. Well driven, but he must be pretty confused about how to deal with the problem of Max. It looks like Max doesn't care about preventing Ferrari and Charles from scoring, Lando has a target on his back and is 24 points greater the challenger to his WDC victory. Lando drove intelligently and seemed to maintain calm despite the injustice he received for the second and third time in a week. He was quick when he needed to be and he maintains his clever use of the tyres. What else could he have achieved? Nothing as Carlos was a masterclass all weekend and was never going to lose. So Lando did all he could be expected to do and is picking up strength under adversity - he will be stronger for it next year.

As I always said, the real battle is for the WCC. The only way Max will lose is if it is self inflicted. That's still possible with a five place [EDIT - grid!] penalty coming at Interlagos if Oscar and the Ferraris fill the necessary positions.

I think Lando is leaning the lessons well here though. I think hes used Max's own tactics against him in T4 by Horners claims Lando was doing 15kmph faster than his quickest lap. Got up and past or at least side by side Max at the corner Apex probably doubtful he made the corner but it forced Max to give him space. I think Max was always happy to allow the 2 Ferrari to win/go 1 2. I suspect too thats why he didn't hand the place back hoping the 2 Ferraris could build a big enough gap.

This is wrong. Norris was making that corner (T4). It can be easily seen and confirmed by watching onboard of Norris, he straightens the car and is on road and clearly in control, he would have kept two tyres on the road but then Verstappen barges in and Norris bails. This is completely obvious on the onboard.

He would then have a tight line into T5 where Verstappen would be on the outside. I reckon Verstappen would be able to defend in T5 but with these rules who knows.

Don't trust everything people (Horner) say. Use your eyes.

I take anything he (and any team for that matter) says

I think it was touch and fo he makes T4, but depending on how the rules work going into T5 would be interesting I suspect if Lando made the apex then well.... Lando could run him wide who knows.


I think all teams play the BS line here I though Max last week worked within teh rules - I don't know I like them but I think he used them to his advantage. I think Lando did it this week Max paid the price he didn't allow Max to ease off on the brakes on the inside to stay ahead. I think maybe like Max last week, Lando would have been happy if he struggled to make the corner. He knew Max would push him wide again. He did, Lando was well alongside him this time so the rules worked against Max. It was agressive and smart.. Probably caught Max out a little I think. and Max in the end got what he reserved.

[geogate]

Peter Windsor reckons McLaren made another error that cost Norris the win. Why did they have their title contending driver giving up his seat in FP1 ? His lack of FP1 time most likely cost him in qualifying. The Mclaren was the fastest. If he qualified on pole, he wins. More points thrown away. Which is fine, if you learn from it for 2025.

Windsor gets a bee in his bonnet and will shoe horn it into any narrative he can. I'd imagine running Pato had been contracted in by the start of the season. Clearly, it was Lando's long corners that cost him the win

[FittingMechanics]

I think Lando is leaning the lessons well here though. I think hes used Max's own tactics against him in T4 by Horners claims Lando was doing 15kmph faster than his quickest lap. Got up and past or at least side by side Max at the corner Apex probably doubtful he made the corner but it forced Max to give him space. I think Max was always happy to allow the 2 Ferrari to win/go 1 2. I suspect too thats why he didn't hand the place back hoping the 2 Ferraris could build a big enough gap.

This is wrong. Norris was making that corner (T4). It can be easily seen and confirmed by watching onboard of Norris, he straightens the car and is on road and clearly in control, he would have kept two tyres on the road but then Verstappen barges in and Norris bails. This is completely obvious on the onboard.

He would then have a tight line into T5 where Verstappen would be on the outside. I reckon Verstappen would be able to defend in T5 but with these rules who knows.

Don't trust everything people (Horner) say. Use your eyes.

I take anything he (and any team for that matter) says

I think it was touch and fo he makes T4, but depending on how the rules work going into T5 would be interesting I suspect if Lando made the apex then well.... Lando could run him wide who knows.


I think all teams play the BS line here I though Max last week worked within teh rules - I don't know I like them but I think he used them to his advantage. I think Lando did it this week Max paid the price he didn't allow Max to ease off on the brakes on the inside to stay ahead. I think maybe like Max last week, Lando would have been happy if he struggled to make the corner. He knew Max would push him wide again. He did, Lando was well alongside him this time so the rules worked against Max. It was agressive and smart.. Probably caught Max out a little I think. and Max in the end got what he reserved.

I don't think it was touch and go at all, it's quite clear on the onboard. I'm sure that Max being a great driver that he is could understand whether Norris will go off and wouldn't barge him off if Norris was going off himself.

Comment about T5 is correct, with the rules from Austin Norris could then probably just go deep into T5, get the apex first and then push Verstappen wide. Silly rule but that happened in Austin. This probably influenced Verstappen to a degree (hard to tell with split second decisions).

[BMMR61]

Could be a turning point in Lando's battle with Max. Lando, we all know, had to toughen up and there's good signs in this
https://racingnews365.com/verstappen-go ... him-norris

"It's always going to be on the line. It's always going to be tough with Max. He's never going to make anyone's life easy, especially mine, at this point of the year. It was not fair, clean racing, and therefore, I think he got what he had coming to him."

Go get him Lando.

The optimism of the new floor on the Red Bull at Austin has evaporated. Max had some bitter words about his race and didn't dwell on the penalties, only the car - too slow, too hard on it's tyres. At Mexico it was arguably the 4th fastest car for race pace and next week at Interlagos (Brazil) he will take a 5 place grid drop if we are to believe reports. That could be problematic if grip and degradation become an issue for him again.

[BMMR61]

For all of us McLaren fans who can remember the start of the recovery in 2019/20 -
VAMOS CARLOS! WE LOVE YOU!
Great drive by one of the good guys of F1 and everyone at McLaren congratulate you, even if you have to be fulfilling the end of your career at the enemy camp!

[FittingMechanics]

Could be a turning point in Lando's battle with Max. Lando, we all know, had to toughen up and there's good signs in this
https://racingnews365.com/verstappen-go ... him-norris

"It's always going to be on the line. It's always going to be tough with Max. He's never going to make anyone's life easy, especially mine, at this point of the year. It was not fair, clean racing, and therefore, I think he got what he had coming to him."

Go get him Lando.

The optimism of the new floor on the Red Bull at Austin has evaporated. Max had some bitter words about his race and didn't dwell on the penalties, only the car - too slow, too hard on it's tyres. At Mexico it was arguably the 4th fastest car for race pace and next week at Interlagos (Brazil) he will take a 5 place grid drop if we are to believe reports. That could be problematic if grip and degradation become an issue for him again.

Verstappen accepted the decisions quite calmly. He was probably willing to crash.

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