2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Luscion]

You simply don't know how the race could have evolved. There could have been a VSC. There could have been a safetycar (and now they are going to have to do a tight double stack).

If Russell didn't have a damaged front wing, by all means let them race, but as it was, it looks more like a circus at Mercedes than a serious operation.

A circus that finished 4th and 5th?
Where you expecting a podium?
Why ignore what happened and impose hypotheticals that didn't happen to ridicule the team? Very odd.

I'm not ignoring what happened. What happened is the point. Russell had a damaged front wing and lacked pace. Hamilton was wasting his tires and overheating his engine and brakes to fight him for multiple laps. This was unnecessary. Let the healthy car go.

Shovlin pretty much confirmed what you said, at least with the tires, Lewis was faster but they let the drivers race and then by the time Lewis got past his tires were beaten up. imo If they had let him through they could have gotten even more data on just how fast the new floor was compared to the front runners


https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/reports/d ... grand-prix
Shovlin -

Without incidents, P4 and P5 is likely the best result we could have brought home today. Once Verstappen picked up his penalty, we believed we would be interacting with him at some point after those first stops. Encouragingly, both George and Lewis had the speed to pull away from him and score solid points. George was hindered when the front wing flap collapsed after he hit a bump during an overtake at the start of the second stint. Despite that, he still maintained good enough pace to bring it home in fifth. We let the drivers race each other throughout; that meant that Lewis' tyres were past their best once he made it into clear air. We didn't get a great read on our ultimate pace but clearly we need to find more speed if we are to challenge right at the very front.

Toto as well

In today’s race, George was hindered by front-wing damage which was costing him a good chunk of performance. He still drove strongly, and his pace was decent compared to Verstappen behind. The Red Bull never became a threat to our race after the first pit stop. We also saw that, once he was in free air, Lewis’ speed was good on the Hard compound and comparative to those at the front.

[AR3-GP]

It's starting to feel like Mercedes is phoning in the remainder of the season. A lot of stuff doesn't make sense otherwise.

[Quantum]

You simply don't know how the race could have evolved. There could have been a VSC. There could have been a safetycar (and now they are going to have to do a tight double stack).

If Russell didn't have a damaged front wing, by all means let them race, but as it was, it looks more like a circus at Mercedes than a serious operation.

A circus that finished 4th and 5th?
Where you expecting a podium?
Why ignore what happened and impose hypotheticals that didn't happen to ridicule the team? Very odd.

I'm not ignoring what happened. What happened is the point. Russell had a damaged front wing and lacked pace. Hamilton was wasting his tires and overheating his engine and brakes to fight him for multiple laps. This was unnecessary. Let the healthy car go.

You cited the potential of a VSC and a safety car. It didn't happen. Belatedly adding "overheating engine" and "wasting tyres" as reason, should then be a metric used for all teams when bandying around "circus" critiques. So Merc wouldn't be any different from the other circus acts at McLaren, Ferrari etc.

Even a damaged front wing Merc had enough race pace to manage a 10 second gap to Red Bull, Merc just didn't have the pace of McLaren or Ferrari and no amount of saving tyres and cooling engines changes that.

[Vanja #66]

What's with your strange vendetta against Toto? Surely you would want him to stay considering the job he's done in the last 3 years.

How is calling out his non-stop bs a vendetta?

[Quantum]

What's with your strange vendetta against Toto? Surely you would want him to stay considering the job he's done in the last 3 years.

How is calling out his non-stop bs a vendetta?

Because it's a regular theme.
And because the "calling out" is a regular theme reserved for Toto and Toto alone.

[AR3-GP]

A circus that finished 4th and 5th?
Where you expecting a podium?
Why ignore what happened and impose hypotheticals that didn't happen to ridicule the team? Very odd.

I'm not ignoring what happened. What happened is the point. Russell had a damaged front wing and lacked pace. Hamilton was wasting his tires and overheating his engine and brakes to fight him for multiple laps. This was unnecessary. Let the healthy car go.

You cited the potential of a VSC and a safety car. It didn't happen. Belatedly adding "overheating engine" and "wasting tyres" as reason, should then be a metric used for all teams when bandying around "circus" critiques. So Merc wouldn't be any different from the other circus acts at McLaren, Ferrari etc.

Even a damaged front wing Merc had enough race pace to manage a 10 second gap to Red Bull, Merc just didn't have the pace of McLaren or Ferrari and no amount of saving tyres and cooling engines changes that.

It doesn’t matter if you are winning comfortably, or in no man’s land. You don’t waste resources like this. I am not even Hamilton biased. The situation just looks objectively silly to me. Shovlin said they didn’t get to learn about the potential of the update package because of Hamilton’s scrap with Russell. The people are Mercedes are not on the same page.

[Quantum]

It doesn’t matter if you are winning comfortably, or in no man’s land. You don’t waste resources like this. I am not even Hamilton biased. The situation just looks objectively silly to me. Shovlin said they didn’t get to learn about the potential of the update package because of Hamilton’s scrap with Russell.

Sure, it's a circus at Mercedes but when McLaren do it that's racing right?

As for Shovlin quote, that's missing the context as ultimately George was faster than Hamilton as typified by the 6 second gap he had to Hamilton before Hamilton pitted.
A damaged front wing will put paid to any accurate data between the cars, not the teams race strategy.
I cannot make it any simpler than that.

And the elephant in the room is Mercedes with a damaged wing increased it's gap to Red Bull from 9 seconds to 12.
Once Hamilton was passed Russell he could do 0.7 seconds faster which still means no mans land.
But also means the circus act had a faster race car than Red Bull.

[Vanja #66]

Because it's a regular theme.
And because the "calling out" is a regular theme reserved for Toto and Toto alone.

It's called calling out because you respond to a particular example of bad behaviour. In his case total lack of understanding and non-stop stream of delusional bs statements. If you look at Ferrari thread, you'll see me posting same about Binotto any time he says something delusional, which happened a week or two ago actually

[AR3-GP]

It doesn’t matter if you are winning comfortably, or in no man’s land. You don’t waste resources like this. I am not even Hamilton biased. The situation just looks objectively silly to me. Shovlin said they didn’t get to learn about the potential of the update package because of Hamilton’s scrap with Russell.

Sure, it's a circus at Mercedes but when McLaren do it that's racing right?

As for Shovlin quote, that's missing the context as ultimately George was faster than Hamilton as typified by the 6 second gap he had to Hamilton before Hamilton pitted.
A damaged front wing will put paid to any accurate data between the cars, not the teams race strategy.
I cannot make it any simpler than that.

And the elephant in the room is Mercedes with a damaged wing increased it's gap to Red Bull from 9 seconds to 12.
Once Hamilton was passed Russell he could do 0.7 seconds faster which still means no mans land.
But also means the circus act had a faster race car than Red Bull.

You’re turning this into a Red Bull vs Mercedes vs Mclaren issue so you’re missing the point entirely.

[Quantum]

Because it's a regular theme.
And because the "calling out" is a regular theme reserved for Toto and Toto alone.

It's called calling out because you respond to a particular example of bad behaviour. In his case total lack of understanding and non-stop stream of delusional bs statements. If you look at Ferrari thread, you'll see me posting same about Binotto any time he says something delusional, which happened a week or two ago actually

Binotto isn't the Ferrari team principal

[Quantum]

You’re turning this into a Red Bull vs Mercedes vs Mclaren issue so you’re missing the point entirely.

No, Mercedes do not race in a vacuum. The whole point in it's entirety is perspective.
Isolating Mercedes to draw circus act comparisons should follow that other teams get the same stick.
Peculiar that would need to be spelt out.

[Vanja #66]

Binotto isn't the Ferrari team principal

Peak brilliance, kudos

[Quantum]

Binotto isn't the Ferrari team principal

Peak brilliance, kudos

You made it easy

[AR3-GP]

You’re turning this into a Red Bull vs Mercedes vs Mclaren issue so you’re missing the point entirely.

No, Mercedes do not race in a vacuum. The whole point in it's entirety is perspective.
Isolating Mercedes to draw circus act comparisons should follow that other teams get the same stick.
Peculiar that would need to be spelt out.

This is the Mercedes team thread.

[Quantum]

You’re turning this into a Red Bull vs Mercedes vs Mclaren issue so you’re missing the point entirely.

No, Mercedes do not race in a vacuum. The whole point in it's entirety is perspective.
Isolating Mercedes to draw circus act comparisons should follow that other teams get the same stick.
Peculiar that would need to be spelt out.

This is the Mercedes team thread.

And without context it's the Mercedes team bashing thread. I reiterate the point the team does not exist in a different category vacuum that necessitates the need for and I quote...
"circus act"... "delusional"... "shameful".... "a joke"...."shambles" And that's just the last 3 pages.
When it beat 2 Red Bulls and a McLaren.

See how perspective works?