2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[mclaren111]

Lots of wishful thinking here. Truth is Norris blew his opportunity to win the WDC when he had a similar points gap to Max post Miami and post the summer break. Max qualified 2nd in Mexico, he will probably qualify top 3 in the remaining races. It's done.

Norris didn't blow it. The team and Piastri blew it for him.

And all of those actions might also cost the WCC if they aren't lucky.

You guys carrying on like clickbaiters. Really, armchair experts, McLaren were not expected to challenge for any titles in 2024, just the odd win. Suddenly they are being called "fastest" and "dominant". Both are very arbitrary, especially in a season of such small margins. F1 hasn't always been like Mercedes 2014 - 2020 and Red Bull 2021 - 2023. Seven drivers have won GPs in 4 different cars (sorry Checo). Catching Max was always going to be difficult with his early season wins. Then one person suggested Lando could overhaul 80 points (never been done before) and everyone is on the bandwagon. Some people were suggesting Oscar should be made to play the donkey with 10 races to go. McLaren were messing up. People got so invested in their desire for another champion for whatever reasons.

Even with some of the wheel to wheel failings of Lando, it's just unfair. He has only had a truly competitive car since Miami, Max has had a competitive car for 4 years and has developed his race craft enormously. Even if Lando (or Oscar) don't rise to Max's brilliant best he (they) deserve our tremendous respect. We the fans aren't owed anything. Sure there's been times where McLaren's race strategies have been somewhat.... green, Hungary, Silverstone mainly, leading the WCC came as a lovely surprise. I agree it will be a bitter pill but to say Oscar could cost them the WCC is frankly outrageous. His Baku win was arguably the gutsiest of the year in a car which was not the clear fastest.

Well Said...

[SilviuAgo]

Montoya tells Norris to “stop playing the victim” in duel with Verstappen:
Juan Pablo Montoya has advised Lando Norris to adopt a more aggressive approach when racing against Max Verstappen, suggesting that Norris’s current style won’t win the long-term battle. Montoya noted that Norris often appears to step aside for Verstappen.

“Max is the bully. As a racer, it is not what you want to see but it is a smart play. Max is more used to guys like Lewis [Hamilton] who wouldn’t stop at taking him out,” Montoya said in conversation with Instant Casino.

– He explained Verstappen’s strategies, either using his car’s speed advantage or taking risks to secure points.

“If he realises he lacks speed with his RB20, he can try to ‘run Lando over and crash and take the points away.’ Or if he doesn’t have the position to do that, he will just ride around and take the points. That’s all he has to do. It’ll be hard for Lando to win from here.”

– Montoya believes Norris must change his approach to have a chance in the Championship, advocating for a stronger stance against Verstappen.

“When you have a guy like Lando who is very fast and a very clean driver, you can’t go trying to fight a championship against Max with Lando saying how much respect he has for him and he’s the best driver in the world! You might think that, but he shouldn’t be saying that publicly. I really like Lando, but he needs to speak a little less and not play the victim. You won’t win by playing the victim. You might win some battles, but you are going to lose the war.”

– Looking ahead to the Brazilian GP, Montoya expects more intensity in their rivalry, advising Norris to take a firmer stance.

“At some point Lando needs to stand his ground and say, ‘Screw you, I can crash into you and it’s ok,’” he concluded.

source:This Is Formula1

[Emag]

Thanks Juan, but if both Lando and Max dnf it practically seals the deal for Max and he knows this.

More aggressive is no longer on the cards.

[SilviuAgo]

AMUS
Only Lando Norris received new parts. At the final of the Mexican Grand Prix, the world championship runner-up demonstrated what the new development is worth. The older the tires, the more Norris caught up. This is usually Ferrari's domain. Team Principal Andrea Stella noted with satisfaction: "We put Ferrari in a difficult position on the Ferrari track. With the update, we are back on their level."

Related to this, in Brazil full upgrades on both cars:

[SilviuAgo]

Thanks Juan, but if both Lando and Max dnf it practically seals the deal for Max and he knows this.

More aggressive is no longer on the cards.

Probably not if you consider 2024, but maybe JP is targeting next F1 years of Lando and Max. If Max knows that Lando is ready to crash into him, or to race as hard as Max is doing, he will think twice before doing "Mexico" moves. This year Max is allowing to lose some point as long as Lando is doing the same, but maybe next year this game will not play in his favor, and losing to Lando means other driver with chances may take the lead (Leclerc, Hamilton, Oscar etc).

[DoctorRadio]

AMUS
Only Lando Norris received new parts. At the final of the Mexican Grand Prix, the world championship runner-up demonstrated what the new development is worth. The lower the track temp, the more Norris caught up. This is usually not Ferrari's domain. Team Principal Andrea Stella noted with satisfaction: "We put Ferrari in a difficult position on the Ferrari track. With the update, we are back on their level."

Fixed that for AMuS.

[CjC]

AMUS
Only Lando Norris received new parts. At the final of the Mexican Grand Prix, the world championship runner-up demonstrated what the new development is worth. The older the tires, the more Norris caught up. This is usually Ferrari's domain. Team Principal Andrea Stella noted with satisfaction: "We put Ferrari in a difficult position on the Ferrari track. With the update, we are back on their level."

On their level?
Sheesh there’s an admission.

We could do for Mclaren to be on the ‘next level’ really. Hopefully what ever upgrade they bring to Brazil puts them marginally ahead- however I fear the updates being taken to Brazil which Stella is referring to is only to upgrade Oscars car to Norris’ spec.
We’ll see though- I’m hoping to see another ‘performance’ upgrade on the car submission form tomorrow. It will be what it’ll be

[BMMR61]

AMUS
Only Lando Norris received new parts. At the final of the Mexican Grand Prix, the world championship runner-up demonstrated what the new development is worth. The older the tires, the more Norris caught up. This is usually Ferrari's domain. Team Principal Andrea Stella noted with satisfaction: "We put Ferrari in a difficult position on the Ferrari track. With the update, we are back on their level."

On their level?
Sheesh there’s an admission.

We could do for Mclaren to be on the ‘next level’ really. Hopefully what ever upgrade they bring to Brazil puts them marginally ahead- however I fear the updates being taken to Brazil which Stella is referring to is only to upgrade Oscars car to Norris’ spec.
We’ll see though- I’m hoping to see another ‘performance’ upgrade on the car submission form tomorrow. It will be what it’ll be

It's part of a pattern. Miami, Austria last year. One car brings the new parts, the other provides the benchmark. There's been some chat that the McLaren has gradually become trickier to drive. This often comes with narrow operating window. Mexico, Oscar was very quick until Q1 and then lost the feel, drove uncharacteristically crazy, hands sawing on the wheel. His comments after the race were that he felt it went much better than Austin, just a bad qual. We need him back to <0.1 off Lando again.

[Dazmacca5700]

Good podcast of Mexico GP (first 32 mins)

https://player.fm/series/shiftf1-a-form ... erace-2024

[SilviuAgo]

Seems that we have a new RW (at least the shape)? MCL38 is something different this weekend vs his main rivals.

[PapayaFan481]

AMUS
Only Lando Norris received new parts. At the final of the Mexican Grand Prix, the world championship runner-up demonstrated what the new development is worth. The older the tires, the more Norris caught up. This is usually Ferrari's domain. Team Principal Andrea Stella noted with satisfaction: "We put Ferrari in a difficult position on the Ferrari track. With the update, we are back on their level."

On their level?
Sheesh there’s an admission.

We could do for Mclaren to be on the ‘next level’ really. Hopefully what ever upgrade they bring to Brazil puts them marginally ahead- however I fear the updates being taken to Brazil which Stella is referring to is only to upgrade Oscars car to Norris’ spec.
We’ll see though- I’m hoping to see another ‘performance’ upgrade on the car submission form tomorrow. It will be what it’ll be

To be fair though, we're ahead on points, so same level isn't so bad a place to be lol

[TeamKoolGreen]

Lots of wishful thinking here. Truth is Norris blew his opportunity to win the WDC when he had a similar points gap to Max post Miami and post the summer break. Max qualified 2nd in Mexico, he will probably qualify top 3 in the remaining races. It's done.

Norris didn't blow it. The team and Piastri blew it for him.

And all of those actions might also cost the WCC if they aren't lucky.

You guys carrying on like clickbaiters. Really, armchair experts, McLaren were not expected to challenge for any titles in 2024, just the odd win. Suddenly they are being called "fastest" and "dominant". Both are very arbitrary, especially in a season of such small margins. F1 hasn't always been like Mercedes 2014 - 2020 and Red Bull 2021 - 2023. Seven drivers have won GPs in 4 different cars (sorry Checo). Catching Max was always going to be difficult with his early season wins. Then one person suggested Lando could overhaul 80 points (never been done before) and everyone is on the bandwagon. Some people were suggesting Oscar should be made to play the donkey with 10 races to go. McLaren were messing up. People got so invested in their desire for another champion for whatever reasons.

Even with some of the wheel to wheel failings of Lando, it's just unfair. He has only had a truly competitive car since Miami, Max has had a competitive car for 4 years and has developed his race craft enormously. Even if Lando (or Oscar) don't rise to Max's brilliant best he (they) deserve our tremendous respect. We the fans aren't owed anything. Sure there's been times where McLaren's race strategies have been somewhat.... green, Hungary, Silverstone mainly, leading the WCC came as a lovely surprise. I agree it will be a bitter pill but to say Oscar could cost them the WCC is frankly outrageous. His Baku win was arguably the gutsiest of the year in a car which was not the clear fastest.

I agree that the McLaren was not actually dominant at any point this season. That narrative is just out there to cut down Lando. Because for a lot of people, that is what its all about. Its usually Max fans and Hamilton fans. And they are invested in the success of Piastri for the same reason.

Having said all of that, the fact that Lando actually gave in on team orders and the team threatened him and said that he needed Oscar, for Oscar to knife him the way he did, which resulted in Leclerc taking the Monza win, I don't think its really a stretch to put some blame on Oscar.

And this has all set a precedent for next year. If Norris's points lead wasn't enough to get the team on his side this year, then it will be the same for Piastri next year. If Norris has a DNF on the first race while Oscar wins, too bad. Its basically two one car teams.

[BMMR61]

Some of us believed it was more rational to NOT think Lando is or has been in with a realistic shot UNLESS Red Bull really bombed. It defies logic that Red Bull still haven't got their RB20 back into some shape. Others believed that in race 13/24 it was cool to order Oscar to be a donkey. Rationally that would be the beginning of the end of his McLaren career and I know of a front running team looking for someone for their future.

[TeamKoolGreen]

Some of us believed it was more rational to NOT think Lando is or has been in with a realistic shot UNLESS Red Bull really bombed. It defies logic that Red Bull still haven't got their RB20 back into some shape. Others believed that in race 13/24 it was cool to order Oscar to be a donkey. Rationally that would be the beginning of the end of his McLaren career and I know of a front running team looking for someone for their future.

Now we know why there's #1 & #2 drivers on competitive team's. What's going to happen next year ? The same thing's that are happening this year

Just when it looked like the trend was turning.

[mwillems]

Lando has averaged 2.2 points more than Max over 10 races. Lando and Oscar are equal in converting to points.

Given the WCC situation and the fact that next year Red Bull are likely to have a more competitive lineup, not sure we should replace Oscar with a number 2 level driver.