2024 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 01 - 03

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avantman wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:23
ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:13
Judging by sprint race pace, Verstappen probably would win the main race. He probably would have passed Piastri and possibly even Lando if it weren't for the VSC.
Have you been watching the season at all? You cant judge or predict the race pace based on sprint pace, especially this year when they are allowed to change setup. It's no secret Max was far more competitive on softer, medium tires in Sprints all but Mclaren got far better on every single occasion on Sunday.
Verstappen had great pace and was faster than both Leclerc and Piastri. Norris was slowed down by Piastri most of the sprint so hard to say how he and Verstappen compared. This was not like Austin where it was pretty clear both Ferrari and Mclaren had more pace.

If they race it will be wet so hard to say what performance will be for all teams but Verstappen seems to have enough pace to get a podium even with the penalty.

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Verstappen has a brand new engine and if the conditions stay wet then RB20 peak downforce over MCL efficiency.

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Gillian wrote:
avantman wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:23
ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:13
Judging by sprint race pace, Verstappen probably would win the main race. He probably would have passed Piastri and possibly even Lando if it weren't for the VSC.
Have you been watching the season at all? You cant judge or predict the race pace based on sprint pace, especially this year when they are allowed to change setup. It's no secret Max was far more competitive on softer, medium tires in Sprints all but Mclaren got far better on every single occasion on Sunday.
Verstappen had great pace and was faster than both Leclerc and Piastri. Norris was slowed down by Piastri most of the sprint so hard to say how he and Verstappen compared. This was not like Austin where it was pretty clear both Ferrari and Mclaren had more pace.

If they race it will be wet so hard to say what performance will be for all teams but Verstappen seems to have enough pace to get a podium even with the penalty.
Lando wasn’t slowed down at all. McLaren even asked Piastri to slow down to give him DRS.

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Only logical solution would be Sprint Qualifying order.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:32
Verstappen has a brand new engine and if the conditions stay wet then RB20 peak downforce over MCL efficiency.
Why didn't the superior Red Bull do this in the qualifying sprint?

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dialtone wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:32
Gillian wrote:
avantman wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:23


Have you been watching the season at all? You cant judge or predict the race pace based on sprint pace, especially this year when they are allowed to change setup. It's no secret Max was far more competitive on softer, medium tires in Sprints all but Mclaren got far better on every single occasion on Sunday.
Verstappen had great pace and was faster than both Leclerc and Piastri. Norris was slowed down by Piastri most of the sprint so hard to say how he and Verstappen compared. This was not like Austin where it was pretty clear both Ferrari and Mclaren had more pace.

If they race it will be wet so hard to say what performance will be for all teams but Verstappen seems to have enough pace to get a podium even with the penalty.
Lando wasn’t slowed down at all. McLaren even asked Piastri to slow down to give him DRS.
I understand your point but Im not convinced. Seemed more to me Norris was annoyed at some point and got out of DRS range. Pretty sure Norris would have been faster than Piastri.

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Whatever happens I have to say you guys are amazing with great analysis. I learned a lot of new things in the last months. Its much better then the autosport forum. Keep up the good work.

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:33
Only logical solution would be Sprint Qualifying order.
Both sprint qualy and sprint result would be the same for Max, P4+ penalty.

I'm surprised there is not a rule for that. F1 has a lot of details outlined but not what happens here?

Strange.

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:33
Only logical solution would be Sprint Qualifying order.
That would be fair imo as well.

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_cerber1 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:34
ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:32
Verstappen has a brand new engine and if the conditions stay wet then RB20 peak downforce over MCL efficiency.
Why didn't the superior Red Bull do this in the qualifying sprint?
I don't know, but I was watching the sprint race, and McLaren's could not pull away from Max. Looked like he had better regen/deploy or battery store than Ferrari, possibly over McLaren as well. We will see with 5 place grid penalty but Max was not sliding like Lando was and Max would have passed Piastri and Lando after a few more laps. The race is 71 and will be a DRS tug-o-war.

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Gillian wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:38
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:33
Only logical solution would be Sprint Qualifying order.
That would be fair imo as well.
Shouldn't it actually be the SPRINT FINISHING ORDER? like the way the old sprint was set up?

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Verstappen was fastest at the sprint, although only by a little. Tomorrow there should be even bigger rain according to forecasts, so I doubt that the race will be held at all.

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F1 qualy timing screen is still showing order from FP1 so it's possible that would be order they use. And from looking at the articles that talked about it in the past it used to be FP times.

No explicit rule about it in 2024 regulations though.

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ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:45
Gillian wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:38
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:33
Only logical solution would be Sprint Qualifying order.
That would be fair imo as well.
Shouldn't it actually be the SPRINT FINISHING ORDER? like the way the old sprint was set up?
I personally like sprint qualifying order because it's actually a qualifying result.

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ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:45
_cerber1 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:34
ispano6 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:32
Verstappen has a brand new engine and if the conditions stay wet then RB20 peak downforce over MCL efficiency.
Why didn't the superior Red Bull do this in the qualifying sprint?
I don't know, but I was watching the sprint race, and McLaren's could not pull away from Max. Looked like he had better regen/deploy or battery store than Ferrari, possibly over McLaren as well. We will see with 5 place grid penalty but Max was not sliding like Lando was and Max would have passed Piastri and Lando after a few more laps. The race is 71 and will be a DRS tug-o-war.
No DRS in the rain. But what we need is 2016 style magic from him...