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Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Teamd when in free air. But it is usually meaningless because his quali has been so

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atanatizante wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:32
Luscion wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 16:35
DGP123 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 16:18
Race pace dire. Hamilton nowhere, and Russell in no man’s land. Need rain tomorrow.
Merc is so slow my god, Lewis struggling to pass back marker and midfield cars and Russell just nowhere. Both Mercs finished exactly where they started....
By the way, on the last lap, he did a 12.5, which was only 2 tents slower than those 3 drivers racing hard at the top and was 3-tenths faster than what RUS did on his quickest lap. So, another argument in favor of the "free air is king" quote, after all ...

What is hilarious is the fact that raising the car for better compliance over the bumps will help them if the race tomorrow will be on a wet/damp race, although the balance is all over the place due to the lack of the second free practice session, according to HAM ... hopefully, they did some sim work done back at the factory after the sprint race in order to get the balance right ...

One thing I don`t explain: HAM set the fastest speed at the finish line - 347kph -, presumably due to a fabulous tow, but at the speed trap he recorded just the 9th speed being on par with RUS at 325kph ... maybe someone could enlighten me, please ...

https://postimg.cc/ZBb1WG2K

Lewis always seems to have great pace at the end of races and when in free air. The problem is he’s usually in traffic due to bad quali, drs trains and the car seems to be very slow on heavy fuel.

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Juzh wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:42
atanatizante wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:32
One thing I don`t explain: HAM set the fastest speed at the finish line - 347kph -, presumably due to a fabulous tow, but at the speed trap he recorded just the 9th speed being on par with RUS at 325kph ... maybe someone could enlighten me, please ...

https://postimg.cc/ZBb1WG2K
It's a loooong standing problem in brazil. Basically speed trap location is positioned too close to braking zone for turn 1, so cars which arrive with a much higher speed than normal have to brake before they reach it. That's why you see these discrepancies. It's been like this since forever and no one ever bothered to fix it.
Maybe you`re right with this rule that could be applied for the rest of the 7 drivers in the top 10, but in the case of ALB and PER they were 1kph down, and COL was even 1kph up on the speed trap compared to the finish line ...
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atanatizante wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 21:44
Juzh wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:42
atanatizante wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:32
One thing I don`t explain: HAM set the fastest speed at the finish line - 347kph -, presumably due to a fabulous tow, but at the speed trap he recorded just the 9th speed being on par with RUS at 325kph ... maybe someone could enlighten me, please ...

https://postimg.cc/ZBb1WG2K
It's a loooong standing problem in brazil. Basically speed trap location is positioned too close to braking zone for turn 1, so cars which arrive with a much higher speed than normal have to brake before they reach it. That's why you see these discrepancies. It's been like this since forever and no one ever bothered to fix it.
Maybe you`re right with this rule that could be applied for the rest of the 7 drivers in the top 10, but in the case of ALB and PER they were 1kph down, and COL was even 1kph up on the speed trap compared to the finish line ...
Well, hamilton seems to brake just a little bit earlier. As I said, speed trap is right on the edge of braking zone. Those cars that still maintain high speed in top speed trap are braking a few meters later. Really it's not something to worry about.

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Luscion wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 00:12
zibby43 wrote:
31 Oct 2024, 23:51
Luscion wrote:
31 Oct 2024, 22:01
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/merce ... /10668840/

Russell saying the W15 is the most inconsistent car they've had in a long time, also apparently the floors their bringing to Brazil are a slightly modified version of the one Lewis used in COTA/Mexico
That’s consistent with what I posted from Toto above regarding new specs for both cars this weekend.
ah, missed that
Oh no worries mate - just pointing out it's good to have a corroborating source as well. Thanks for posting.

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You know you’re struggling in the car when even the wet doesn’t help

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There are no excuses for Hamilton...ferrari got a raw deal

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Onboard with Karun saying he just had no grip and just sliding on the top surface of the tyre. which Lewis was complaining about since his first run


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Luscion wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:22
Onboard with Karun saying he just had no grip and just sliding on the top surface of the tyre. which Lewis was complaining about since his first run

Always some sort of excuse for hamilton...its never his fault.

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Jdn1327 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:15
There are no excuses for Hamilton...ferrari got a raw deal
I'd wait until hes in a team hes allowed to attend all the technical briefings.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:24
Jdn1327 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:15
There are no excuses for Hamilton...ferrari got a raw deal
I'd wait until hes in a team hes allowed to attend all the technical briefings.
I dont think merc would be silly enough to jeopardise one car cos of technical briefing. Lewis has lost it in my opinion

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Jdn1327 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:24
Luscion wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:22
Onboard with Karun saying he just had no grip and just sliding on the top surface of the tyre. which Lewis was complaining about since his first run

Always some sort of excuse for hamilton...its never his fault.
not much of an excuse when you can see the car just had no grip, with Karun confirming as well

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There's no doubt in my mind Merc have locked him out of certain technical knowledge and even more so as there no fighting for anything in the WCC. That onboard lap was terrible. Couldn't trust it on entry or exit. If you think Ham has deteriorated this much within a year then your on something. He's been fast in the wet for years, He's in a brazil, brazil tribute helmet, On a wet brazil track and a performance happens like that happens. GR is the main guy thats all they care about right now. Lewis is a testing mule.
“And that’s part of the game, is being able to be adaptive, and we’ve got this new car – I don’t know how it’s going to handle, hopefully she’s great.”

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Luscion wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:28
Jdn1327 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:24
Luscion wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:22
Onboard with Karun saying he just had no grip and just sliding on the top surface of the tyre. which Lewis was complaining about since his first run

Always some sort of excuse for hamilton...its never his fault.
not much of an excuse when you can see the car just had no grip, with Karun confirming as well
When the other driver is putting it in decent places, it does sound excuses.

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HAM was constantly complaining about the rears having no grip and there are at least 4 factors involving that issue:

- tyre pressure too high
- tyre temps not in the window
- not enough load on the rear axle hence a 1-stop strategy race
- the car was raised too much hence lower DF overall
- the mix of all the above reasons ...

He should start the race at the pit-lane hence an overhaul of the entire car setup, IMHO ...
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Dunlay wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:37
Luscion wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:28
Jdn1327 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 13:24

Always some sort of excuse for hamilton...its never his fault.
not much of an excuse when you can see the car just had no grip, with Karun confirming as well
When the other driver is putting it in decent places, it does sound excuses.
The wet has never been an issue…even in these era of cars.