2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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mwillems wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:49
Ben1980 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:45
mwillems wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:44


Neither driver stood out? I cannot understand how anyone can't recognise the mastery of Maxs display and the absolute gap in class between the two drivers, it's that big here today
I was talking g about neither McLaren driver. Max has been the class apart.
Piastri hasn't had a great race, but it's been better than Lando for sure, which is why Oscar gained a place and Lando lost 5, plus any penalty at the end.
Piastri wiped out a RB, that was generally worse than anything Lando did.

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Seerix wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:09
On the positive note, no need for the team orders anymore :D It was nice having a distant look at WDC possibility.
I think this will help the team in the constructors fight with Ferrari, but it remains to be seen.
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Ben1980 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:11
Piastri wiped out a RB, that was generally worse than anything Lando did.
Lawson created more problems for Verstappen than Piastri

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Dimond wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:10
bauc wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:05
Dimond wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:04

McLaren is racing since 1966
Half of those people are dead, this is a new generation , with new people, there are only handful people still from the Hamilton days, what a stupid comment bro.....
Everyone in the team has been in this business for a long time already, they've had dozens of wet Grand Prix in their careers, its not that they got together yesterday

Also, what's stupid is taking those words literally
You are not taking into consideration the pressure of both championships, a fight Mclaren is currently in for the first time in over a decade.....
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proteus wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:06
Darth-Piekus wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:00
I am dissapointed to Lando and Oscar. I also don't think he deserves the WDC if he is losing from Ocon, Gasly and Rusell.
Great job with "they are the best" when they win and "they are the worst" when they loose. You have no knowledge of what was happening on the track, the cars were obviously set with too much drag and couldnt overtake, red flag sealed the deal. Except from Max and Alpines, everybody else made mistakes during the race.
Next time think trough before you post.
It'll be interesting to see in the telemetry if that is the issue. Given that drag only really becomes a problem at over 250kph I'm not sure how much it held us back. Problem vs Verstappen is that the driver was able to find more grip. His overtakes were because he found the limit in the corners when others went round like Bambi.
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Was Max Verstappen with a different rear wing and made all those passes or was it due to finding grip where all the rest failed?

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Dimond wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:12
Ben1980 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:11
Piastri wiped out a RB, that was generally worse than anything Lando did.
Lawson created more problems for Verstappen than Piastri
Lawson waved Max through, and Oscar opened the door.

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It does not seems like McLaren team chat instead RB well wishers posting comment here.

McLaren and Norris did their best. The wdc alive due to them only. If it is first half of the season then Norris well ahead of Max.

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Next year we need a car that will be top from the start and not wait 6 races to become relevant.

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Watto wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:08
Slahinki wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:00
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03 Nov 2024, 19:58



Agree.

I think it there wasn't the train of drivers Max would have overtaken Charles pretty quick but slip stream vs slip stream. Held him up a little.

I don't think Lando still has to learn a little on being more agressive in overtaking. Poor starts etc.

But I think he has improved there this year too. Just not quite enough
Both Lando and Oscar have a lot of work to do in the off-season.
Agree.

I think Oscar best and worst is still not quite there. But will learn

Lando I think despite the critisium has improved quite a bit this year. I think last week his move on Max around the outside was a Max like move was agressive and knew Max would push him wide I think he had in his mind he could bail on T5 before the corner and claim he was avoiding a collision, but he still gets caught out too often, letting Max turn the inside on the first lap corner - yes Max peobably pushing the limits there but he opens himself to it, Piastri too a few races ago catching him unaware. But I think they will all learn



I wonder if as FittingMechanic said above somewhere, did McLaren choose the wrong rear wing. I think Lando was faster then Ferrari and Mercedes but too slow in the straight and was never really a change didn't help
There's a lot of learning to be done all through the team really. I think in a way they have been a bit cursed with being better than they expected to be this year, having to learn while being very much in the spotlight.

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mwillems wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:14
proteus wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:06
Darth-Piekus wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:00
I am dissapointed to Lando and Oscar. I also don't think he deserves the WDC if he is losing from Ocon, Gasly and Rusell.
Great job with "they are the best" when they win and "they are the worst" when they loose. You have no knowledge of what was happening on the track, the cars were obviously set with too much drag and couldnt overtake, red flag sealed the deal. Except from Max and Alpines, everybody else made mistakes during the race.
Next time think trough before you post.
It'll be interesting to see in the telemetry if that is the issue. Given that drag only really becomes a problem at over 250kph I'm not sure how much it held us back. Problem vs Verstappen is that the driver was able to find more grip. His overtakes were because he found the limit in the corners when others went round like Bambi.
Verstsppen was godlike to be honest. But Norris vs. Russell it was no gain trough straights, but massive gains in corners. He said himself he is too slow. On the other hand it could be traction.
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bauc wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:12
Dimond wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:10
bauc wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:05


Half of those people are dead, this is a new generation , with new people, there are only handful people still from the Hamilton days, what a stupid comment bro.....
Everyone in the team has been in this business for a long time already, they've had dozens of wet Grand Prix in their careers, its not that they got together yesterday

Also, what's stupid is taking those words literally
You are not taking into consideration the pressure of both championships, a fight Mclaren is currently in for the first time in over a decade.....
Their performance today has nothing to do with the pressure, just poor execution from all parts of the team - bad car setup, bad start, bad race pace, a lot of mistakes from both drivers.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:16
Next year we need a car that will be top from the start and not wait 6 races to become relevant.
It will not mater as much if we do not learn the lesions from this year, too much games inside the team, too much hesitation, strtagey mistakes... ect.....
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Ben1980 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:11
mwillems wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:49
Ben1980 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:45


I was talking g about neither McLaren driver. Max has been the class apart.
Piastri hasn't had a great race, but it's been better than Lando for sure, which is why Oscar gained a place and Lando lost 5, plus any penalty at the end.
Piastri wiped out a RB, that was generally worse than anything Lando did.
It's just how you convert the points and Lando threw away a lot of points in a WDC fight. He's got talent coming out his ears, but he's not able to.deliver consistently high level performances, same thing I've been saying to you since last year.

You said it didn't matter then, but it did, he needed to get on top of it before challenging for a championship. He still hasn't after nearly a full seasons racing

I don't think he ever will.
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Exquisite performance by Norris, truly world championship material.