Well, this was a genuine procedural mistake in the heat of the moment at the most stressful point of the weekend.
Swearing in a press conference is a conscious choice not to act like a mature professional.
Well, this was a genuine procedural mistake in the heat of the moment at the most stressful point of the weekend.
Yes, but what else should they do? If it is "uncharted" hand out a reprimand and everyone is happy. Giving a 5 or 10sec without effect would be just a joke. So the reprimand is actually a correct solution and at least a real "penalty".bananapeel23 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 00:31This is uncharted territory. What I know is Norris&co made a mistake large enough to cut a lap out of the race distance. A reprimand is usually for a procedural error that has little to no effect on the race. Cutting laps out of it is definitely not "little to no effect".
This was a safety issue. Why Stroll was still on track beggars belief, but watching him stand in the spot that his car slid into whilst the others all drove by was classic Stroll.PapayaFan481 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 00:06Even a jump start isn't a DQ though, and that is an obvious competitive gain.
Dodnt the coverage say there was no penalty for this in the regulations. Or sonething like that. It clearly needed a full investigation, and it went on for hours it seems.venkyhere wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 04:16The strangest thing from race control when 3 drivers have breached the rules to delete one lap from a race :
"noted, will evaluate after the race"
What is there to evaluate ? It was a binary yes/no decision - cars drove off on yellow lights.
What stewards' message really meant :
"we will decide based on race result in case there is going to be big repercussion on championship fight"
People really take what a driver says generally after a disappointment way too personal.Madhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
Decision Reprimand (Driving).mwillems wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 09:58This was a safety issue. Why Stroll was still on track beggars belief, but watching him stand in the spot that his car slid into whilst the others all drove by was classic Stroll.PapayaFan481 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 00:06Even a jump start isn't a DQ though, and that is an obvious competitive gain.
I know they were going slower but, er, Lance, maybe in front of your car is not a great place to hang out 5 minutes after your crash?
But pulling away in an aborted start is the main reason that happened, so it wasn't clever. I expected a fine, I was surprised we got away with a reprimand.
This year Norris received so much hate trough the season, it is unbeliveable really. Every word taken as harshly as possible. I would say that the saltiest people are those that hanged on every word he said.Madhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
Piastri "gifted" a win to Piastri in Hungary. That "gift" is much bigger than anything Piastri did for Norris. What did it end up being, swap in Brazil sprint and swap in Brazil race?Madhouse wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:10I cannot wait for Oscar to be Number 1 driver in 2025 and show Norris how to put together a season without gifts.
What a salty comment to make about Max's win. Norris is lacking a champions mindset & I suspect this comes back to his upbringing & privilege of a well-off family.
I just expected something more substantial. I didn't realise he got a 5k fine, still feels small. I think he's lucky that many followed him otherwise it would have been worse, I think.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 10:29Decision Reprimand (Driving).mwillems wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 09:58This was a safety issue. Why Stroll was still on track beggars belief, but watching him stand in the spot that his car slid into whilst the others all drove by was classic Stroll.PapayaFan481 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 00:06Even a jump start isn't a DQ though, and that is an obvious competitive gain.
I know they were going slower but, er, Lance, maybe in front of your car is not a great place to hang out 5 minutes after your crash?
But pulling away in an aborted start is the main reason that happened, so it wasn't clever. I expected a fine, I was surprised we got away with a reprimand.
The driver is fined €5,000.
You mean you expected a time penalty or worse as well?
I think everyone has forgotten what Zak said about his goals before the season started, to win a few races and be on the podium regularly. Obviously, that has been ticked for a long time now and everything that is happening now is going beyond the plan.
Definitely weren’t ready. Midfield and backmarkers for 10 years. And actually on this season it came as a surprise after Miami. They weren’t expecting to be in a title fight going into 2024 based on their predictions after new infrastructure came online.
The problem is...Oscar made even more errors than Lando. If you look at this season after the summer break, it is a bit like Mercedes in 2016: Nearly every Q one of the drivers is 0.3 to 0.4sec off the other driver...nearly every race one of the drivers manages to finish behind Verstappen in a worse car...
I do not like talking about the words, it is him throwing away the clear and good chance on a championship fight. I really do not care who gets the WDC, but I hate that just by bad execution it is again handed out maybe three races before the end of the season.
No, that is a genuine surprise for someone by many here was called the best driver in current F1. I do not want to go again into the "who has the best car", just saying: I am genuinely surprised, that Lando is 60points back with THIS car.
Well. The only thing to note is, that Verstappen is not in the list. Hamilton lost his 2016 championship just because of his "days off", although some say Malaysia. We still remember him for China gravel. We will not remember Norris for loosing this WDC, as he is so far away...but in the end, it was the execution.
I would expect from an experienced McLaren driver in a championship capable car to deal with this.