2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

Are you sure about 2?
https://x.com/pirellisport/status/18530 ... 80/photo/2

Not any more I thought they had 3 or 4 sets of Inters at every race, not 5

[Seanspeed]

Our pace in the wet was really bad.

In the first stint we looked better because Tsunoda was blocking Ocon who would have been much quicker in free air than us.

The car suffered from high deg as well, especially regarding rear tyres.

It wasn't 'really bad' unless you were expecting them to fight for top podium spots.

Considering where they'd have been at if this was the car from earlier in the season, it's actually a big improvement. It was fine. Not amazing, but we knew this track layout in these kinds of conditions would be basically worst case scenario for the car. The fact that they still hung on and were up at least near the front was a good accomplishment.

[deadhead]

One of my favorite overtakes

https://x.com/sydneyxf1/status/18536990 ... 2n8am2mMAg

[organic]

Our pace in the wet was really bad.

In the first stint we looked better because Tsunoda was blocking Ocon who would have been much quicker in free air than us.

The car suffered from high deg as well, especially regarding rear tyres.

It wasn't 'really bad' unless you were expecting them to fight for top podium spots.

Considering where they'd have been at if this was the car from earlier in the season, it's actually a big improvement. It was fine. Not amazing, but we knew this track layout in these kinds of conditions would be basically worst case scenario for the car. The fact that they still hung on and were up at least near the front was a good accomplishment.

McLaren, alpine, mercedes, red bull were all faster than Ferrari. Leclerc's brilliant restart kept the car in good scoring positions but 5th fastest car in the wet was reality. A big weakness of the car

[Seanspeed]

Our pace in the wet was really bad.

In the first stint we looked better because Tsunoda was blocking Ocon who would have been much quicker in free air than us.

The car suffered from high deg as well, especially regarding rear tyres.

It wasn't 'really bad' unless you were expecting them to fight for top podium spots.

Considering where they'd have been at if this was the car from earlier in the season, it's actually a big improvement. It was fine. Not amazing, but we knew this track layout in these kinds of conditions would be basically worst case scenario for the car. The fact that they still hung on and were up at least near the front was a good accomplishment.

McLaren, alpine, mercedes, red bull were all faster than Ferrari. Leclerc's brilliant restart kept the car in good scoring positions but 5th fastest car in the wet was reality. A big weakness of the car

Wasn't just the restart, Leclerc was running solidly in the first stint. Things fluctuated here and there, but he was also hanging onto the pace of the guys in front at the end as well(Max excluded). Far from 'really bad'. And yea, we know it's a weakness of the car, but if this was the same car from like Canada, we'd probably not have been running in the top 10. Still big improvements to balance and front end that helped keep Leclerc in the mix here.

[Fakepivot]

One of my favorite overtakes

https://x.com/sydneyxf1/status/18536990 ... 2n8am2mMAg

that livery was soo perfect!!

[bananapeel23]

One of my favorite overtakes

https://x.com/sydneyxf1/status/18536990 ... 2n8am2mMAg

It's so sad that he barely even managed 2nd. He was easily on for a win in Vegas until he got screwed over by the safety car. It was a miracle he even managed to get back past Perez. He had something like a 10 lap tyre delta on Verstappen after the first round of pit stops and still came out ahead. Had the safety car not given Verstappen a cheap 2nd stop, Leclerc would probably have won by 10 seconds.

[ScuderiaLeo]

One of my favorite overtakes

https://x.com/sydneyxf1/status/18536990 ... 2n8am2mMAg

Livery was amazing, race was amazing, overtake was amazing, driver was amazing, if only the result was amazing too... maybe this is the year.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Translation of Formu1a.uno's latest livestream, as usual courtesy of SFFRA. Some interesting stuff this week, I recommend reading so I won't bold anything.

• Ferrari has made enormous strides forward with the Monza package, but it hasn't been able to eliminate all of the car’s flaws. Specifically, the heating of the tires, which is linked to the suspension. To eliminate these limitations of the SF-24, it’s no coincidence that a lot of investment is going into the crucial parts of the 2025 car: gearboxes, suspensions, chassis.
• Regarding potential new parts by the end of the 2024 season, Frédéric Vasseur's version is that the current SF-24 should close out this season. And that’s somewhat true. However, according to information from @formu1a__uno, something is expected to arrive in Las Vegas, though it might not be used throughout the weekend. Otherwise, in general, the SF-24 we’ve recently seen is the one that will close out the 2024 season.
• As for the Lift and Coast technique often seen with Charles Leclerc’s car: According to information from Maranello, this doesn’t come from the engine but from the braking system. There’s also a lot of work being done to resolve this.
• On paper, Las Vegas should be a track that aligns quite well with Ferrari's characteristics, as it has sharp turns, traction requirements, and long straights. Regarding the latter, Ferrari has significantly improved its aerodynamic efficiency since the Monza updates. However, the concern is the cold. Much will depend on the work done in Maranello over the next three weeks in the simulator to find a solution. There will also be tire graining, and Ferrari is known as one of the teams that manages this best.
• Regarding the Qatar track, Jock Clear explains that fast corners aren’t a problem in themselves. Every circuit is a compromise. The team could go much faster in the fast corners, but this could compromise speed in the slower sections. It’s a challenging track on paper, but it’s also one where Ferrari can leverage a great strength: tire management. Indeed, Qatar is an extremely demanding track for tires, and this might be an area where Ferrari could excel!

[deadhead]

If this is true and the warm up issues are suspension related what can they do for Las Vegas other than limit the losses with some sort of extreme set up?

[scuderiabrandon]

If this is true and the warm up issues are suspension related what can they do for Las Vegas other than limit the losses with some sort of extreme set up?

Not much. We're going into round 21, and it's been an issue since race 1. They've been working with the brake ducts as a way to heat the tyres, hence the increased lift n coast in the race to cool the brakes. It was obviously exaggerated by having 3 races, 2 at relatively high altitude and 1 that is heavy on brakes.

[Seanspeed]

If this is true and the warm up issues are suspension related what can they do for Las Vegas other than limit the losses with some sort of extreme set up?

No extreme setup. The car has still gotten better in qualifying. It's still a weakness, but not quite as big as before. Just gotta rely on starting as far up as possible and then using any superior race pace to get ahead or take advantage of some luck/good strategy.

Our real hope for the WCC is gonna mainly come from hoping Piastri(or maybe Norris) has a day off and Leclerc and Sainz remain in good form. Cuz on pure pace, Mclaren are obviously superior and will still be decent favorites for WCC.

[Waz]

If this is true and the warm up issues are suspension related what can they do for Las Vegas other than limit the losses with some sort of extreme set up?

Extreme set up wouldn't help. The long straights cool the tires and the short radius corners won't generate enough heat.

There's more chance of making the car really difficult to drive or just unbalanced.

[ScuderiaLeo]

No extreme setup. The car has still gotten better in qualifying. It's still a weakness, but not quite as big as before. Just gotta rely on starting as far up as possible and then using any superior race pace to get ahead or take advantage of some luck/good strategy.

Our real hope for the WCC is gonna mainly come from hoping Piastri(or maybe Norris) has a day off and Leclerc and Sainz remain in good form. Cuz on pure pace, Mclaren are obviously superior and will still be decent favorites for WCC.

Sadly, I think Sainz's crashes cost Ferrari the WCC. Even though Baku wasn't his fault and Singapore was more of an overall team failure... they happened, and between his 3 crashes in this second half of the year Ferrari has lost at least 30 points.

A close P2, while not what people want, would still be something to be proud of as in the middle of the season it seemed like they were on for a P3 or even P4. At least they can say they took the fight to McLaren and with a bit of luck could have even taken the title.

I guess if Ferrari get a 1-2 in the upcoming races there's still a chance but that doesn't seem very likely.

I wonder what F1.uno mean by the team bringing something to Vegas but not using it entirely. Do they mean testing something for 2025?

[Vanja #66]

Regarding the Qatar track, Jock Clear explains that fast corners aren’t a problem in themselves. Every circuit is a compromise. The team could go much faster in the fast corners, but this could compromise speed in the slower sections. It’s a challenging track on paper, but it’s also one where Ferrari can leverage a great strength: tire management. Indeed, Qatar is an extremely demanding track for tires, and this might be an area where Ferrari could excel!

Yes, Qatar will likely be the place where they can exploit their deg advantage again. Last year there were basically 3 compulsory stops, hopefully there won't be any need for that this year. In any case, I think all teams will be able to pull a 2-stop, but the exact pace and tyre strategy might prove advantageous for Ferrari. The big thing will be having both cars starting in Top 5 again, this is crucial on a track where overtaking is an issue. Same with Yas Marina obviously

I wonder what F1.uno mean by the team bringing something to Vegas but not using it entirely. Do they mean testing something for 2025?

Either 2025 testing or seeing how they do without new parts in FP1 before deciding to put them on or not. As a low-downforce track, Vegas isn't ideal for testing novelties I think. Also, there's recent extra costs of Sainz' crashes, so introducing new parts might push them too close to the limit