2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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Outstanding from George. He really pulled a lot out of the Merc. He’s an amazing qualifier. Lewis looks like he has no idea why he is losing it when it counts, and he was dismissive of a very poor showing in Q3. Plus, he’s now overdriving — a sign of panic and a lack of feel. He’s doomed next year. Tomorrow will reveal if George can advantage his pole and stay focused enough to carry it home. I give him a 50-50 chance. I’m not convinced he has the nads to hold under pressure. Hope he can. He would serve himself well to try and pull a gap early while the Merc tires heat up faster than everyone else.
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Typically, the better George does on a Saturday is the worse he does on a Sunday.

If this track proves to be like every other track where overtaking is supposed to happen under these new regs (I.e. overtaking is hard with massive long straights AND drs) he's probably in with a good chance of keeping everyone behind.

Strategy and tyres are most likely going to be the biggest decider.

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My guess as to why Mercedes is so fast in the cold, but struggles with balance and setups in the hot is the often discussed rear tires.
I feel like they're the best at heating them up and getting them to temperature right away, but that throws the car out of the window once conditions change.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 11:31
Typically, the better George does on a Saturday is the worse he does on a Sunday.
Couldn't have been farther than truth.

GrizzleBoy wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 11:31
If this track proves to be like every other track where overtaking is supposed to happen under these new regs (I.e. overtaking is hard with massive long straights AND drs) he's probably in with a good chance of keeping everyone behind.
Since when did overtaking become harder in these regs?

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mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
GrizzleBoy wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 11:31
Typically, the better George does on a Saturday is the worse he does on a Sunday.
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1

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DGP123 wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:44
mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
GrizzleBoy wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 11:31
Typically, the better George does on a Saturday is the worse he does on a Sunday.
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1
How many poles has Lewis converted into wins in the same period that Russell has at Mercedes?

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Mr Saturday might stand a chance of winning then.....Given the race is on a Saturday in Vegas :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:52
DGP123 wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:44
mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1
How many poles has Lewis converted into wins in the same period that Russell has at Mercedes?
None, and even in 2021, because Lewis is washed in qualifying these days. That said, if there's SC tomorrow I would not rule out an Hamilton win.

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mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:52
DGP123 wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:44
mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1
How many poles has Lewis converted into wins in the same period that Russell has at Mercedes?
None, but thats besides the point you're trying to make, and besides anyone else's point you're trying to rebutt.

The point being discussed is that for whatever reason George generally tends to not hold or improve on his qualifying positions.

Lewis' wins coming from beyond pole are kind of irrelevant and if anything it works against the point you're trying to make.

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DGP123 wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:44
mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
GrizzleBoy wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 11:31
Typically, the better George does on a Saturday is the worse he does on a Sunday.
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1
So all of his wins are from not pole, doesn't that mean he is better on Sundays? :D

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maygun wrote:
DGP123 wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:44
mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1
So all of his wins are from not pole, doesn't that mean he is better on Sundays? :D
No pole needed indeed. In some occasions, teammate's DSQ will be needed.

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mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:52
DGP123 wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:44
mendis wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 14:32
Couldn't have been farther than truth.
He’s never converted a pole into a win, and generally goes backwards on a Sunday, due to him outperforming the car on a Saturday. You clearly don’t watch much F1
How many poles has Lewis converted into wins in the same period that Russell has at Mercedes?
Unfair comparison

Ham's only had one pole position and that was thrown away because his friend max decided to push him off in turn one in hungary

Meanwhile, george has had a few but lost the lead due to pure lack of pace

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Hammerfist wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 10:45
The rear just gave out on Hamilton. Looked like he might have been too greedy on the throttle. The first mistake in the banker lap looked like a braking error. I dunno. He just sucks at qualifying now. It started in the middle of last season.

George delivered the lap when needed. He is a supreme qualifier. Can he hold on to the lead now? We shall see.
The car is just strange since they put those new updates on. It looked similar to Austin when hams car just suddenly snap oversteers mid corner without much throttle input. From the replays it looked and sounded like a linear acceleration mid corner and then suddenly the rear let's go....

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from formula1.com :
Asked to talk through his session, and how it all unravelled, Hamilton said: “Yeah, it didn’t work when it mattered. I tried, but it didn’t come off. I should have been on pole. At least I’ve got pace, which is a good showing over the weekend and that’s the positive to take from it.”
On whether that positive gives him confidence for the race, he replied: “Not really. I think the race is kind of done. Obviously the win is out of the question… A great job from George.
When is this 40 yr old man, winner of 7 world titles, going to muster enough humility and courage to say a simple "Yes, it was my mistake" instead of a contrived "it didn't work, I tried it didn't come off", which has a hint of 'it was something beyond driver skill, but I was the guy who deserved pole instead of that guy'. He would make a good CEO-type or a politician - a wordsmith.

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venkyhere wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 23:06
from formula1.com :
Asked to talk through his session, and how it all unravelled, Hamilton said: “Yeah, it didn’t work when it mattered. I tried, but it didn’t come off. I should have been on pole. At least I’ve got pace, which is a good showing over the weekend and that’s the positive to take from it.”
On whether that positive gives him confidence for the race, he replied: “Not really. I think the race is kind of done. Obviously the win is out of the question… A great job from George.
When is this 40 yr old man, winner of 7 world titles, going to muster enough humility and courage to say a simple "Yes, it was my mistake" instead of a contrived "it didn't work, I tried it didn't come off", which has a hint of 'it was something beyond driver skill, but I was the guy who deserved pole instead of that guy'. He would make a good CEO-type or a politician - a wordsmith.
“The car felt different in Q3, and the stability was not there for some reason, but I’d had it in all the other sessions,” Hamilton told media including Motorsport Week.

“But ultimately I didn’t put the laps together.”
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/11/ ... -mistakes/