2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Awful race.
Wrong setup and terrible execution. Lucky to have finished P3 and P4.

[Cs98]

Sainz was also screwed by the team when they called him in to pit and then yelled "stay out" once he had already entered the pit lane entry and had begun braking for the line. That lost him the position to Hamilton (potential P2) and several seconds on Charles. And all this came only two corners after he had obeyed the team order to let Charles by into T14. Carlos owes them nothing, he needs to race for himself at this point because the team is not looking out for him.

[Xyz22]

Sainz was also screwed by the team when they called him in to pit and then yelled "stay out" once he had already entered the pit lane entry and had begun braking for the line. That lost him the position to Hamilton (potential P2) and several seconds on Charles. And all this came only two corners after he had obeyed the team order to let Charles by into T14. Carlos owes them nothing, he needs to race for himself at this point because the team is not looking out for him.

This behaviour is stupid and will cause issues in the last 2 races. The same happened in China when Sainz forced a move on Leclerc in the sprint and Leclerc forced him out at the start of the main race, with both losing places in the process.

[Vanja #66]

You also have to take into account the battery charge and that the tires may have gone out of the window a little bit, or maybe a simple mistake.

I mean why did he do 35.8 on lap 44 before Charles overtook Max?
After all, he first drove 36.5, then 36.1 and 0 (drs + battery to catch up and overtake Max in the dirty air), and then a few laps later 36.2 and 3 and 35.8. Do not you think that the drop in pace from 36.5 to 36.0 was not natural and there were other reasons?

All the facts are laid down mate, that's all I did. Sainz went into and kept running lower PU mode right after passing Max, Leclerc didn't. Sainz had some trouble consistently passing corners from lap to lap, Leclerc didn't. Did Sainz slow down on purpose to give Max DRS for defense? I don't think we'll ever learn

Awful race.
Wrong setup and terrible execution. Lucky to have finished P3 and P4.

They've matched Merc on Hards and lost out on Mediums, setup was as good as it could be. Merc got a 1s laptime bonus in these conditions, they jumped over Top 3 while Top 3 remained as expected between themselves. If the former TD wasn't too scared of thermal deg, we wouldn't have had these situations whole season.

[Cs98]

Sainz was also screwed by the team when they called him in to pit and then yelled "stay out" once he had already entered the pit lane entry and had begun braking for the line. That lost him the position to Hamilton (potential P2) and several seconds on Charles. And all this came only two corners after he had obeyed the team order to let Charles by into T14. Carlos owes them nothing, he needs to race for himself at this point because the team is not looking out for him.

This behaviour is stupid and will cause issues in the last 2 races. The same happened in China when Sainz forced a move on Leclerc in the sprint and Leclerc forced him out at the start of the main race, with both losing places in the process.

Issues for who? I'm just saying, if some of the people on here would take the perspective of Sainz instead of always Leclerc, they'd see he was also getting ridiculous treatment from the team today. First they refuse to pit him when he tells them it's time, then they tell him to box at the same time as they want him to let Leclerc by (which he obliged), then suddenly they aren't ready to box and call it off in the pit entry losing him tonnes of time and position to Hamilton, then after Leclerc's stop they ask him to "stay put" behind Charles literally in the same moment as he is overtaking him on the back straight (seen it on F1TV, the timing of that call is way too late and completely ridiculous in the circumstance). Then you have some folks making quite serious accusations against his character in reference to "slowing down" after passing Verstappen, and that he "switched engine modes" insinuating it was on purpose. It was the team that asked him to switch engine modes because he was low on energy after the pass on Verstappen, it's all there on the team radio. That is why he was slow on the straights for a few laps.

All in all, Carlos drove a good race and deserved to be on the podium. All this noise just proves he needs to focus on himself and tune out the crowd, which is exactly what he did today.

[IntrinsicVoid]

The idea that he wanted to get out of Charles way, when he kept Max in his DRS to block Charles from attacking him, has me feeling like he's trying to take us all for idiots.

Apart from everything that happened in the race, that was the scummiest behavior which I have seen so far. Good riddance that he wont race in Ferarri anymore and no more ties with that family of his. As everyone said even long time before, no other top wants him and for good reason. A good driver, for the midfield.

I am going out on a limb and claiming that it's going to be worse in 2025, with Lewis. He is not naive like LeClerc when it comes to following team agreements - neither will he obediently follow nor will he hesitate to tell the team 'ask him not to fight' over his radio.

The sole difference is that Hamilton looks for himself and the team at the same time if you know what I mean. Sainz on the other hand is entirely on himself. I’d rather see someone with calibre of Hamilton on that seat regardless. But lets see..

[codetower]

The team(or may aptly Sainz I guess) have lost Charles it seems. He is fuming. Sainz just spoke of an agreement they have to not speak of each other in the media or on the radio so this might get spicy. These vibes are not what we need to win WCC...

Can't say I blame Charles. Seems like every-time they have an agreement about in race behavior, Sainz ignores.

This is why nobody wanted Carlos.

[IntrinsicVoid]

Sainz was also screwed by the team when they called him in to pit and then yelled "stay out" once he had already entered the pit lane entry and had begun braking for the line. That lost him the position to Hamilton (potential P2) and several seconds on Charles. And all this came only two corners after he had obeyed the team order to let Charles by into T14. Carlos owes them nothing, he needs to race for himself at this point because the team is not looking out for him.

This behaviour is stupid and will cause issues in the last 2 races. The same happened in China when Sainz forced a move on Leclerc in the sprint and Leclerc forced him out at the start of the main race, with both losing places in the process.

Issues for who? I'm just saying, if some of the people on here would take the perspective of Sainz instead of always Leclerc, they'd see he was also getting ridiculous treatment from the team today. First they refuse to pit him when he tells them it's time, then they tell him to box at the same time as they want him to let Leclerc by (which he obliged), then suddenly they aren't ready to box and call it off in the pit entry losing him tonnes of time and position to Hamilton, then after Leclerc's stop they ask him to "stay put" behind Charles literally in the same moment as he is overtaking him on the back straight (seen it on F1TV, the timing of that call is way too late and completely ridiculous in the circumstance). Then you have some folks making quite serious accusations against his character in reference to "slowing down" after passing Verstappen, and that he "switched engine modes" insinuating it was on purpose. It was the team that asked him to switch engine modes because he was low on energy after the pass on Verstappen, it's all there on the team radio. That is why he was slow on the straights for a few laps.

All in all, Carlos drove a good race and deserved to be on the podium. All this noise just proves he needs to focus on himself and tune out the crowd, which is exactly what he did today.

Aha, practically like Verstappen did and was tamed by GP in Hungary. Sainz himself led to this situation to be replaced by Hamilton, didn’t want another year while 2025 being possibly the closest year where he could have a chance. Additionally Sainz himself is also to blame for the 2nd stint. Leclerc was defending Hamilton for numerous laps while both catching Sainz. Tell me more about his pace management in that part of the race, both him and Leclerc end up in a traffic after the first pit, and Leclerc had 2 laps older tyres.

[Cs98]

This behaviour is stupid and will cause issues in the last 2 races. The same happened in China when Sainz forced a move on Leclerc in the sprint and Leclerc forced him out at the start of the main race, with both losing places in the process.

Issues for who? I'm just saying, if some of the people on here would take the perspective of Sainz instead of always Leclerc, they'd see he was also getting ridiculous treatment from the team today. First they refuse to pit him when he tells them it's time, then they tell him to box at the same time as they want him to let Leclerc by (which he obliged), then suddenly they aren't ready to box and call it off in the pit entry losing him tonnes of time and position to Hamilton, then after Leclerc's stop they ask him to "stay put" behind Charles literally in the same moment as he is overtaking him on the back straight (seen it on F1TV, the timing of that call is way too late and completely ridiculous in the circumstance). Then you have some folks making quite serious accusations against his character in reference to "slowing down" after passing Verstappen, and that he "switched engine modes" insinuating it was on purpose. It was the team that asked him to switch engine modes because he was low on energy after the pass on Verstappen, it's all there on the team radio. That is why he was slow on the straights for a few laps.

All in all, Carlos drove a good race and deserved to be on the podium. All this noise just proves he needs to focus on himself and tune out the crowd, which is exactly what he did today.

Aha, practically like Verstappen did and was tamed by GP in Hungary. Sainz himself led to this situation to be replaced by Hamilton, didn’t want another year while 2025 being possibly the closest year where he could have a chance. Additionally Sainz himself is also to blame for the 2nd stint. Leclerc was defending Hamilton for numerous laps while both catching Sainz. Tell me more about his pace management in that part of the race, both him and Leclerc end up in a traffic after the first pit, and Leclerc had 2 laps older tyres.

Not sure what point is being made. Sainz beat Leclerc fair and square despite that massive blunder at the second stop. If Leclerc was much faster he would've caught him on fresher tyres at the end. Anyways, I just think people are quick to jump on Sainz and make up conspiracies without even bothering to look up the facts. Some of this stuff can literally be debunked in 5 seconds.

[IntrinsicVoid]

Issues for who? I'm just saying, if some of the people on here would take the perspective of Sainz instead of always Leclerc, they'd see he was also getting ridiculous treatment from the team today. First they refuse to pit him when he tells them it's time, then they tell him to box at the same time as they want him to let Leclerc by (which he obliged), then suddenly they aren't ready to box and call it off in the pit entry losing him tonnes of time and position to Hamilton, then after Leclerc's stop they ask him to "stay put" behind Charles literally in the same moment as he is overtaking him on the back straight (seen it on F1TV, the timing of that call is way too late and completely ridiculous in the circumstance). Then you have some folks making quite serious accusations against his character in reference to "slowing down" after passing Verstappen, and that he "switched engine modes" insinuating it was on purpose. It was the team that asked him to switch engine modes because he was low on energy after the pass on Verstappen, it's all there on the team radio. That is why he was slow on the straights for a few laps.

All in all, Carlos drove a good race and deserved to be on the podium. All this noise just proves he needs to focus on himself and tune out the crowd, which is exactly what he did today.

Aha, practically like Verstappen did and was tamed by GP in Hungary. Sainz himself led to this situation to be replaced by Hamilton, didn’t want another year while 2025 being possibly the closest year where he could have a chance. Additionally Sainz himself is also to blame for the 2nd stint. Leclerc was defending Hamilton for numerous laps while both catching Sainz. Tell me more about his pace management in that part of the race, both him and Leclerc end up in a traffic after the first pit, and Leclerc had 2 laps older tyres.

Not sure what point is being made. Sainz beat Leclerc fair and square despite that massive blunder at the second stop. If Leclerc was much faster he would've caught him on fresher tyres at the end. Anyways, I just think people are quick to jump on Sainz and make up conspiracies without even bothering to look up the facts. Some of this stuff can literally be debunked in 5 seconds.

We can agree to disagree and that’s fine. Leclerc was --- numerous times like Sainz today and he’s still loyal to the team and foremost a team player, and stays in the team. I have given props to Sainz when deserved, and will complain when Leclerc drives badly. And you’re right, Sainz has to look for himself, in Williams. If you’re so emotionally attached to him and feel pity about him, go open charity or something

[Seanspeed]

Sainz was also screwed by the team when they called him in to pit and then yelled "stay out" once he had already entered the pit lane entry and had begun braking for the line. That lost him the position to Hamilton (potential P2) and several seconds on Charles. And all this came only two corners after he had obeyed the team order to let Charles by into T14. Carlos owes them nothing, he needs to race for himself at this point because the team is not looking out for him.

I mean, the team did Sainz no great favors in this case but just think about how much endless nonsense that the team has made Leclerc suffer for over the years.

I find it frustrating how we seem to so quickly excuse these drivers acting like bratty children when things dont go their way.

[Seanspeed]

Agreed… and add onto the fact they pitted Charles right in front of Carlos who’s tyres are up to temperature too… seriously, a drop in performance on the pit wall today compared to the momentum we’ve had earlier in the year.

I guess we were overdue for a classic 2022-style strategic disasterclass from them... it's been such a good year it was bound to happen eventually

Honestly if this is a 'disaster' from Ferrari strategists, then things have gotten way better. They used to screw up much harder than this in the recent past.

[dialtone]

Agreed… and add onto the fact they pitted Charles right in front of Carlos who’s tyres are up to temperature too… seriously, a drop in performance on the pit wall today compared to the momentum we’ve had earlier in the year.

This wouldn’t have happened if SAI let LEC through, like the team asked to do in T5, while he was complaining to the team he wanted to pit. LEC was comfortably 0.6s/lap faster than SAI at that point, he would have passed and created a couple seconds gap without ruining his old tires.

[Vanja #66]

Honestly if this is a 'disaster' from Ferrari strategists, then things have gotten way better. They used to screw up much harder than this in the recent past.

Things did get better, didn't they... Only 2 years ago the wall would have found a way to pit them for the third time or something

[f1316]

I think the constructors is now very unlikely, unfortunately. They will need to leave Qatar having scored more points than McLaren - and, in principle, a decent amount more - and without exogenous events, I just don’t see that happening. It’s a shame because I think it will be very close in the end but just not quite enough.