2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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I didn't think that the strategy was a good one for Alonso, so it was impressive to come back to 11th. No comment on the other driver.
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The soft tire start seemed to be a gamble on an early red flag which didn't pay off, but strategy wasn't terrible, he got out in free air early at least. Shame it wasnt enough for a point or two, but 11th after that qualy was acceptable.

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Sedaxel wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 15:12
Alo was moderately happy after the race. Stated that the car worked much better and that one point was legit.

He also said that VER was the best, and that he wish he could beat him in 2026... Not that possible in 2025. His words. It's quite clear that next season will be hard too.
He was smiling after the race. And not the kind of tired smile he's had this year. Weird...

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KimiRai wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 19:27
Sedaxel wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 15:12
Alo was moderately happy after the race. Stated that the car worked much better and that one point was legit.

He also said that VER was the best, and that he wish he could beat him in 2026... Not that possible in 2025. His words. It's quite clear that next season will be hard too.
He was smiling after the race. And not the kind of tired smile that he's had this year. Weird...
Finishing 11th with the worst car according to the simulator must be intrinsically motivating. Alonso knows if he has a car remotely close he'll be able to make some noise.

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diffuser wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 05:10
Nikosar wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 23:30
Ferro wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 23:09

We agree that Newey will be the real leader of the project and he will certainly give instructions to the technical team during his time in the garden to guide the evolution of the AMR25. But we must not underestimate that newcomers like Cowell and Bell are actively involved in the team and both made their former teams world champions. It should also be added that before March 16 they will have their own new tools for the construction and development of the vehicle. I know that at this moment it is difficult to believe in a significant advance for 2025, but my prediction is that they will.
Yeah you right at the end it is a team work. And Andy Cowell importance is as BIG as Newey. Even Newey outcome depends on Cowell's work. Cowell position as CEO is to somehow balance power between him and Newey (shareholder). Cowell even as CEO will influence the PU side of the car.

Extremely smart move from Lawrence Sr to avoid power/influence/reporting battle inside the team.
Cowell isn't really tied into day to day technical. He gonna be more manager than technical. Bell isn't new. He's been there for a couple of years, he's been heading up the 2026 car. Which will be nice if they leave him there leading into 2026. Bell is in his mid 60s. Cardile is still on target to arrive June/July time frame, which means in time for 2026.

Like I said, the start of 2025 we'll be competitive. Then we'll see after that what Bob can do. We'll probably be able to see if Newey is gonna be walking around with a sketch book in March 2025 if he's trying to help the 2025 car.
How can you say that at the beginning of 2025 "we will be competitive". At the moment it is the last team and next year's car should already be ready, so... Where does this confidence come from? In any case, next year it will probably be McLaren and Ferrari that will compete, given how things are going, so the most sensible thing would be a car that can at least get podiums.which is aiming for 2026, but I think that will hardly be the case

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Sedaxel wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 15:12
Alo was moderately happy after the race. Stated that the car worked much better and that one point was legit.

He also said that VER was the best, and that he wish he could beat him in 2026... Not that possible in 2025. His words. It's quite clear that next season will be hard too.
He smiles because this season is ending and finally I would add. However the technical director has all the responsibilities of the car, but I personally see a mechanical part more than aerodynamic that doesn't work. But I could be clearly wrong

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Sherrinford wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 21:47
Sedaxel wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 15:12
Alo was moderately happy after the race. Stated that the car worked much better and that one point was legit.

He also said that VER was the best, and that he wish he could beat him in 2026... Not that possible in 2025. His words. It's quite clear that next season will be hard too.
He smiles because this season is ending and finally I would add. However the technical director has all the responsibilities of the car, but I personally see a mechanical part more than aerodynamic that doesn't work. But I could be clearly wrong
I think he enjoyed the race. He even said he was willing to race immediately again, another half an hour to catch that point. He was eager for more, and said the car felt so much better that he could even notice in the formation lap.

Of course, it was one of the worst cars of the grid today (as usual, lately). But he genuinely had fun today.

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Sherrinford wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 21:44
diffuser wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 05:10
Nikosar wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 23:30


Yeah you right at the end it is a team work. And Andy Cowell importance is as BIG as Newey. Even Newey outcome depends on Cowell's work. Cowell position as CEO is to somehow balance power between him and Newey (shareholder). Cowell even as CEO will influence the PU side of the car.

Extremely smart move from Lawrence Sr to avoid power/influence/reporting battle inside the team.
Cowell isn't really tied into day to day technical. He gonna be more manager than technical. Bell isn't new. He's been there for a couple of years, he's been heading up the 2026 car. Which will be nice if they leave him there leading into 2026. Bell is in his mid 60s. Cardile is still on target to arrive June/July time frame, which means in time for 2026.

Like I said, the start of 2025 we'll be competitive. Then we'll see after that what Bob can do. We'll probably be able to see if Newey is gonna be walking around with a sketch book in March 2025 if he's trying to help the 2025 car.
How can you say that at the beginning of 2025 "we will be competitive". At the moment it is the last team and next year's car should already be ready, so... Where does this confidence come from? In any case, next year it will probably be McLaren and Ferrari that will compete, given how things are going, so the most sensible thing would be a car that can at least get podiums.which is aiming for 2026, but I think that will hardly be the case
They will change the car's concept and they knows already the structural problems from AMR24, and new simulator, new wind tunnel, newey and others coming and maybe they will fix it on AMR25, maybe the piece of hope come from these things, but, honestly, even they do better things, they will cant fight for anythings, just points in some races. For me, they still talk to much and never deliver progress, and 2026 could be the same, they talking a lot about 2026 and when this year comes they will make the things happen? i have some doubt about it. They need prove next year they can improve their cars during season, they need prove for theirself

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Well only thing they should do it drop Stroll junior, what a disaster he is... Hope Alonso gets the car he is deserving.

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AMR should continue with their Aggressive approach with alternative strategy, for the next 2 races, there was possibility of points yesterday.

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Sherrinford wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 21:44
diffuser wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 05:10
Nikosar wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 23:30


Yeah you right at the end it is a team work. And Andy Cowell importance is as BIG as Newey. Even Newey outcome depends on Cowell's work. Cowell position as CEO is to somehow balance power between him and Newey (shareholder). Cowell even as CEO will influence the PU side of the car.

Extremely smart move from Lawrence Sr to avoid power/influence/reporting battle inside the team.
Cowell isn't really tied into day to day technical. He gonna be more manager than technical. Bell isn't new. He's been there for a couple of years, he's been heading up the 2026 car. Which will be nice if they leave him there leading into 2026. Bell is in his mid 60s. Cardile is still on target to arrive June/July time frame, which means in time for 2026.

Like I said, the start of 2025 we'll be competitive. Then we'll see after that what Bob can do. We'll probably be able to see if Newey is gonna be walking around with a sketch book in March 2025 if he's trying to help the 2025 car.
How can you say that at the beginning of 2025 "we will be competitive". At the moment it is the last team and next year's car should already be ready, so... Where does this confidence come from? In any case, next year it will probably be McLaren and Ferrari that will compete, given how things are going, so the most sensible thing would be a car that can at least get podiums.which is aiming for 2026, but I think that will hardly be the case
Because history has shown us that their off season upgrades work. It's the in season upgrades that don't.

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diffuser wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 15:42
Because history has shown us that their off season upgrades work. It's the in season upgrades that don't.
I don't know why you think this year's base car worked. While the car initially qualified decently, it handled poorly, lacked stability under braking, and burned through its tyres in race pace. Pre-season testing more than showed this.

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Aston Martin's new simulator is now online according to DLR - is that why Fernando was smiling?

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KimiRai wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 18:26
Aston Martin's new simulator is now online according to DLR - is that why Fernando was smiling?
I would like to read about these simulators, what they do? ( ok, simulate) but, what is the principal interest on them and how this new simualtor could help AM from now? someone has any article or whatever about simulators for me?

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Rikrikrik wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 19:00
KimiRai wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 18:26
Aston Martin's new simulator is now online according to DLR - is that why Fernando was smiling?
I would like to read about these simulators, what they do? ( ok, simulate) but, what is the principal interest on them and how this new simualtor could help AM from now? someone has any article or whatever about simulators for me?
They simulate the car on the different tracks.