2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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Re: 2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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I heard a lot of people saying that Ferrari will struggle in Qatar. Why is that?

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I can see another strong showing for Mercedes, that much so I'm putting money on Russell for the pole & win.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 11:43
I heard a lot of people saying that Ferrari will struggle in Qatar. Why is that?
General perception is that Ferrari's strength is slow speed rotation and traction, plus straights. The Qatar track doesn't have many of those. Lots of long radius corners, where 'driver skill' will make it's presence felt. In fact, apart from T6 (slow hairpin), all of them are long radius corners, medium speed and high speed. Sector3 has all of the high speed corners (T12-T16) and Sector1 and Sector2 have all of the medium speed corners (T1 to T10, except T6). McLaren will be mega in Sectors 1 and 2 and Redbull (if they get the car right) has an advantage in Sector 3.

It's a proper 'drivers track' like Brazil, Suzuka etc, very flowing. No jerks.

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Nice to see different tire compounds it has been a while

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Have the kerbs been modified, or are they the same as last year, and the chaos that caused?

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McLaren track written all over it. Medium speed, high speed, and tyre deg is the name of the game here, and that is where McLaren shines.

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this key factor of this race is tyre,because of sprint race, the amount of C1 is very limited,and how to squeeze the performance of tyre totally in each stint and allocate tyre usage in each sector is key question
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so far temps expected to be between 17-19c, could be another strong weekend for Merc

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Luscion wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 16:43
so far temps expected to be between 17-19c, could be another strong weekend for Merc
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At the time of the quali the temps are expected at least 20 degrees and during the race 21 degrees.
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Wouter wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 17:17
Luscion wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 16:43
so far temps expected to be between 17-19c, could be another strong weekend for Merc
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At the time of the quali the temps are expected at least 20 degrees and during the race 21 degrees.
Still cold-ish ... a while ago it was Qatar that was even harder dan S'pore according to half the field right ?

I see 24C for quali, 25 for race ..
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Really don't see anyone challenging McLaren here. Track seems tailor made for their car. Long radius turns, almost all med/high speed, no need for top-level low speed rotation.

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langedweil wrote:
26 Nov 2024, 03:12
Wouter wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 17:17
Luscion wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 16:43
so far temps expected to be between 17-19c, could be another strong weekend for Merc
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At the time of the quali the temps are expected at least 20 degrees and during the race 21 degrees.
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Still cold-ish ... a while ago it was Qatar that was even harder dan S'pore according to half the field right ?

I see 24C for quali, 25 for race ..
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Those temps are Saturday and Sunday at noon, not in the evening when the quali (9 PM) and race (7 PM) take place.
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langedweil wrote:
26 Nov 2024, 03:12
Wouter wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 17:17
Luscion wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 16:43
so far temps expected to be between 17-19c, could be another strong weekend for Merc
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At the time of the quali the temps are expected at least 20 degrees and during the race 21 degrees.
Still cold-ish ... a while ago it was Qatar that was even harder dan S'pore according to half the field right ?

I see 24C for quali, 25 for race ..
The track will hold much more energy than the air due to solar radiation. That's a bigger factor than the ambient temps for Merc. Vegas is very late at night, the heat dissipates by the time the sessions come around. Track temps will be upwards of of 30degC.

Anyway, lots of lateral energy put through the tyres here. Peak loads for Vegas are all in the 2-3 big braking zones. Overheating is not a problem there for reasons in addition to the weather. Keeping a tyre alive around a lap in Qatar if you already struggle with keeping temps down is not a good thing.

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Wouter wrote:
26 Nov 2024, 08:39
langedweil wrote:
26 Nov 2024, 03:12
Wouter wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 17:17

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At the time of the quali the temps are expected at least 20 degrees and during the race 21 degrees.
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Still cold-ish ... a while ago it was Qatar that was even harder dan S'pore according to half the field right ?

I see 24C for quali, 25 for race ..
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Those temps are Saturday and Sunday at noon, not in the evening when the quali (9 PM) and race (7 PM) take place.
I was looking at the real temp instead of the ambient temp (because of winds).
Might be a dusty weekend ..

Regarding those lateral loads and wear, last year most made it a 3-stop race iirc ?
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