2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[FittingMechanics]

Not sure how final the results are but luckily there are other teams that will report this if McLaren will not.

I am sure Aston wants wants more points (if Haas and Sauber are not due to their engines).

[Vanja #66]

All the top-scorers lifted except Norris, no need for anyone to spread false info

[yooogurt]

disproportionate penalties

Looks like a standard penalty for ignoring double yellows

[Dafnalina]

All the top-scorers lifted except Norris, no need for anyone to spread false info

But he didn't lift on lap 31, and there were still showing yellows there.

[Seanspeed]

Ferrari International Assistance is back. The race director and stewards should be investigated.

You guys cant really be serious with this, after the whole season Mclaren were genuinely treated with a 'look the other way' attitude by the FIA over Mclaren's blatant flexi front wing and whatnot, right? All clearly in the name of wanting them to take the fight to Max/RB.

A lot of sad whining instead of taking accountability. Be better than this folks. Y'all are almost certainly still gonna win the WCC, so good lord. smh

[Mclaren-Honda-1988]

There's no worry. The result won't change at this point as the penalty cannot be appealed. It's obvious that was a fixed Liberty Media penalty in order to have a last drama in Abu Dhabi. So onwards to the last race. We have a 21 points advantage and two drivers that can be on podium. As long as Mclaren is united and give their 100 percent last race there is nothing anyone else can do to deny them a rightful earned championship.

[bananapeel23]

It should have been on, since the root issue had not been resolved at all.

Well yes, but it was only yellow for one lap until the yellow/red slippery track marker came on, despite the problem being unresolved.

Stella says it was actually removed and the mirror was still there

https://racingnews365.com/mclaren-deman ... is-penalty

I want to download the data when the kids are in bed and see when the flags were out.

I recall that the F1TV crew were discussing the flag several laps later. It is true that the mirror remained on track until Bottas ran over it a few laps before the punctures.

[mwillems]

disproportionate penalties

Looks like a standard penalty for ignoring double yellows
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The question isn't, should it be a penalty. The issue is that the yellow boards didn't light up, the dash didn't light up, there was one set of double yellows followed by a much brighter green board and if you're looking at your dash it's going to be easy to miss.

What compounds it is that the flags were later stopped with the mirror still in place. So according to the FIA it was both dangerous and not dangerous. With no malicious intent involved the penalty seemed strong. But waiting so long until after the next SC scaled the effect of the penalty yet further.

Shambolic.

[FittingMechanics]

Sainz does seem to have lifted looking at the trace, about a tenth or so.

But it's legal I guess.

Double waved was for just 5 or 6 cars. Ver and Norris were first, others were warned. Then it was lifted.

Then 15 or so laps take for a decision during which we have IIRC two SCs and then he gets a massive penalty with bunched up field.

[mwillems]

Apparently the FIA will debrief with Race Control to offer some clarity on the decisions.

[Peter Piper]

All the top-scorers lifted except Norris, no need for anyone to spread false info

It's a separate question aside from Norris's specific situation, but can someone remind me exactly what's expected of the drivers under double waved yellows? Isn't it something like "slow down and be prepared to stop"?

How can any of the drivers who reacted to the flags say that they were in a position to do that?

[BMMR61]

Ferrari International Assistance is back. The race director and stewards should be investigated.

You guys cant really be serious with this, after the whole season Mclaren were genuinely treated with a 'look the other way' attitude by the FIA over Mclaren's blatant flexi front wing and whatnot, right? All clearly in the name of wanting them to take the fight to Max/RB.

A lot of sad whining instead of taking accountability. Be better than this folks. Y'all are almost certainly still gonna win the WCC, so good lord. smh

A bit rough to visit your long hated opposition's pit garage and gloat Sean? I think all teams should be genuinely concerned about a sudden U turn by the stewards in a season where we've seen some over aggressive driving (particularly Max) get 5 second and 10 second penalties and never a hint that stop and go penalties, let alone 10 second S&G penalties, still exist in the 2024 rules.

The so called flexi wing was mutually agreed to be withdrawn, along the usual lines of team pushes the limits (as F1 teams do). We have seen so much uninformed use of the "cheating" word in a sport that is always, and is actually about, pushing the boundaries. You should know with the years you've been following that this was just another innovation that was decided "broke the spirit" of the rules and was voluntarily withdrawn. It's you Sean that should be asked "you can't really be serious" about cheating. Red Bull are still the masters of "look at this" and getting the attention from the FIA when they fall behind.

[bauc]

Lando did a mistake with not noticing the yellow flag, but why the stewards waited 16 laps to make the call?

[SoulPancake13]

Ferrari International Assistance is back. The race director and stewards should be investigated.

You guys cant really be serious with this, after the whole season Mclaren were genuinely treated with a 'look the other way' attitude by the FIA over Mclaren's blatant flexi front wing and whatnot, right? All clearly in the name of wanting them to take the fight to Max/RB.

A lot of sad whining instead of taking accountability. Be better than this folks. Y'all are almost certainly still gonna win the WCC, so good lord. smh

A bit rough to visit your long hated opposition's pit garage and gloat Sean? I think all teams should be genuinely concerned about a sudden U turn by the stewards in a season where we've seen some over aggressive driving (particularly Max) get 5 second and 10 second penalties and never a hint that stop and go penalties, let alone 10 second S&G penalties, still exist in the 2024 rules.

The so called flexi wing was mutually agreed to be withdrawn, along the usual lines of team pushes the limits (as F1 teams do). We have seen so much uninformed use of the "cheating" word in a sport that is always, and is actually about, pushing the boundaries. You should know with the years you've been following that this was just another innovation that was decided "broke the spirit" of the rules and was voluntarily withdrawn. It's you Sean that should be asked "you can't really be serious" about cheating. Red Bull are still the masters of "look at this" and getting the attention from the FIA when they fall behind.

There is 0 U-turn in policing of this issue. Every time it has happened recently, the same penalty has been awarded. This was just Lando losing concentration(as seen by the post race interviews where he had 0 clue what he had even done). To claim that Ferrari were deliberately helped by the FIA is clueless... that is all Sean was saying

[ScuderiaLeo]

Question to people who listen to the radios. Did McLaren warn Norris or Piastri about the double yellows? Ferrari warned both of their drivers it was coming. If McLaren didn't tell Norris, that seems like a huge oversight and mistake on their part. The drivers are focused on driving and the objects in their peripheral vision such as flags are easily missable.

I don't know if Norris can be entirely blamed for not even realizing the double yellows were out if he wasn't warned and they only appeared for a few seconds. Of course a penalty is still warranted because he did breach the rules, but this might also fall on the team.