2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[McL-H]

Max apologised to Oscar after the race. He said that as soon as he became aware of the gap was disappearing he tried to get out of it but it was too late. He was sorry for this to happen to Oscar as he regards him as a good bloke.

[mwillems]

Amazing... Sumply amazing... WWC is ours... At last... F*****ing well deserved.

Congrats to all the men & women in the team and thank you.

Did we win the world wrestling championship too?

[genarro]

Amazing... Sumply amazing... WWC is ours... At last... F*****ing well deserved.

Congrats to all the men & women in the team and thank you.

Did we win the world wrestling championship too?

Hahaha women's weightlifting champioship

[Gillian]

Max apologised to Oscar after the race. He said that as soon as he became aware of the gap was disappearing he tried to get out of it but it was too late. He was sorry for this to happen to Oscar as he regards him as a good bloke.

Correct, source: https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verst ... -abu-dhabi

Congratulations on the WCC anyway! Overall best team this year.

[DChemTech]

A championship that is dedicated to those that think they know everything. To those that used every dirty trick in the book to stop a well deserved winning team. To those that used every single pitiful excuse because they were losing fair and square. Mclaren-Mercedes the Customer Champion covered a 100 points decifit to Red Bull and 60 points deficit to Ferrari and left the second 16 points behind and the first more than 50 behind. Onwards for the double next year.

Don’t make this negative.

Don't write unnecessary comments. I believe I have the right to write something for once after all that war that the team endured by other teams and their fans.

Well, you managed on thing with all this negativity and anti-Dutch sentiment: you made someone that has been a McLaren/Hakkinen fan and decade-long disliker of Ferrari, both due to Schumacher's antics and the notion that any misconduct by Ferrari always seemed to be swept under the rug (and they would decide to pull out of F1 if that didn't happen), root for Ferrari over McLaren this year.

Anyway, congratulations to McLaren, let's hope for another down-to-the-last-race battle next year.

[CrazyCarperF1]

At the beginning of the season I hoped this would be the season we get a race win, im blown away that we come away with the constructors. The only thing that i find irksome is RedBull seemingly not taking the constructors seriously by not replacing Perez. Anyway I hope this is just the start.

[Darth-Piekus]

Don’t make this negative.

Don't write unnecessary comments. I believe I have the right to write something for once after all that war that the team endured by other teams and their fans.

Well, you managed on thing with all this negativity and anti-Dutch sentiment: you made someone that has been a McLaren/Hakkinen fan and decade-long disliker of Ferrari, both due to Schumacher's antics and the notion that any misconduct by Ferrari always seemed to be swept under the rug (and they would decide to pull out of F1 if that didn't happen), root for Ferrari over McLaren this year.

Anyway, congratulations to McLaren, let's hope for another down-to-the-last-race battle next year.

Dude I am not gonna bother responding to illusions or attempts to flamebait. Mcl-H has a voice to express himself and if one negative comment made him do what you said then he was never a fan of Mclaren to begin with. Don't bother me with that anymore please.

[Macklaren]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

[Darth-Piekus]

Wasn't there a rule that forbid research in the 2026 cars till a certain date?

[bananapeel23]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

Upgrades naturally deliver diminishing returns as they get closer and closer to the ultimate potential of the regulations. At this point there isn't much more the teams can do to improve their existing packages. We are well past the point of pure upgrades. Most upgrades from now on will be more about tradeoffs the teams deem worthwhile. You won't be getting any more upgrades that are just outright better across the board, at least not with the existing cars.

If McLaren are making major changes, it's because they think they have exhausted the upgrade potential of the MCL38 and that it won't go much faster, or at least that developing it further would be inefficient compared to a clean-sheet design.

Both Ferrari and Red Bull have been confirmed to be making major changes as well, so I don't think there is any reason to suspect that McLaren will be taking any more risks than their competitors, if anything they are probably taking fewer, since their car lacks glaring issues. Ferrari is doing a major suspension overhaul at least, but will likely continue to upgrade the floor in the same direction they have been since Monza, while Red Bull are probably developing the RB21 based on the pre-Spain RB19.

Wasn't there a rule that forbid research in the 2026 cars till a certain date?

Yes, but the teams can still save wind tunnel and CFD time for when the development embargo is lifted, at least that is my understanding.

[Emag]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

[bananapeel23]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

There was definitely change since Miami. They brought several major packages that did drastically improve the car from "barely better than Red Bull" to "clearly better than Red Bull". It just wasn't obvious that they were improving because Ferrari came roaring back after Monza and developed their car even faster than McLaren.

[Emag]

I know today is about celebrating what we have already achieved but what are thinking about 2025? Some of the late season upgrades didn't seem to deliver as much time as previous packages? Zak talking about a dramatically different car next year sounds a bit ominous/scary after what RBR went through this year? Least wind tunnel time of anyone in the 2nd half of 2025? Everyone ignoring 2025 and focusing on 2026?

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

There was definitely change since Miami. They brought several major packages that did drastically improve the car from "barely better than Red Bull" to "clearly better than Red Bull". It just wasn't obvious that they were improving because Ferrari came roaring back after Monza and developed their car even faster than McLaren.

Please list these several major packages after Miami.

[DChemTech]

Don't write unnecessary comments. I believe I have the right to write something for once after all that war that the team endured by other teams and their fans.

Well, you managed on thing with all this negativity and anti-Dutch sentiment: you made someone that has been a McLaren/Hakkinen fan and decade-long disliker of Ferrari, both due to Schumacher's antics and the notion that any misconduct by Ferrari always seemed to be swept under the rug (and they would decide to pull out of F1 if that didn't happen), root for Ferrari over McLaren this year.

Anyway, congratulations to McLaren, let's hope for another down-to-the-last-race battle next year.

Dude I am not gonna bother responding to illusions or attempts to flamebait. Mcl-H has a voice to express himself and if one negative comment made him do what you said then he was never a fan of Mclaren to begin with. Don't bother me with that anymore please.

I was talking about my own past mclaren fanship, no idea about McL-H. And by no means looking to 'flamebait'. Just a gentle note that the negativity is not particularly making McL more sympathetic, and especially the 'anti dutch' generalizations - considering there is quite a lot of sympathy for the team in the Netherlands (the orange might help). No need to ruin that.
Just be happy, you won WCC in a year that started with "it would be great to win a race". That's a good feat, and the team is set for a great 2025.

[bananapeel23]

This car is dead in terms of development potential. If it had more in the tank they would have brought it. Barely any change since Miami.

They don’t have a choice but to explore different things for next year if they want to stay in the battle.

There was definitely change since Miami. They brought several major packages that did drastically improve the car from "barely better than Red Bull" to "clearly better than Red Bull". It just wasn't obvious that they were improving because Ferrari came roaring back after Monza and developed their car even faster than McLaren.

Please list these several major packages after Miami.

A new front wing and front suspension in Austria, not circuit specific. That's a pretty decent sized package.

Zandvoort was 6 upgrades. I'd consider that a major package.

Austin was 8 upgrades, with 4 circuit specific. I'd consider that a major package.

Then the new floor in Mexico, which was a very major revision and put them back in front of Ferrari.

They also brought a whole lot of "circuit specific" upgrades in Imola, Austin, Monza, meaning a boatload of different engine covers, rear wings and front wing upper elements.

I'd consider that a pretty high rate of development post-Miami. Not the flurry of development Ferrari brought, but they didn't have a bunch of downgrade packages, so they didn't need to develop their way out of holes they dug for themselves and could take it easy and make sure every upgrade would work.