2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[-wkst-]

"It was my first day as Chief Engineer, too, and it's certainly busy running two cars at the same time but being on top of both cars is a challenge that I've got to start getting used to.

"We had a number of people stepping up to new roles and gaining experience in new positions, which was one of the main priorities of the test, and everyone was looking after each other, helping each other out, and just making sure we didn't drop any balls or make any mistakes. A good day overall."

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... -abu-dhabi

So, ALO get's a new race engineer?

[TyreSlip]

"It was my first day as Chief Engineer, too, and it's certainly busy running two cars at the same time but being on top of both cars is a challenge that I've got to start getting used to.

"We had a number of people stepping up to new roles and gaining experience in new positions, which was one of the main priorities of the test, and everyone was looking after each other, helping each other out, and just making sure we didn't drop any balls or make any mistakes. A good day overall."

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... -abu-dhabi

So, ALO get's a new race engineer?

Unfortunate. I really liked Cronin as Fernando's engineer as he consistently fed good information. I couldn't stand Loos at Alpine.

[Nikosar]

"It was my first day as Chief Engineer, too, and it's certainly busy running two cars at the same time but being on top of both cars is a challenge that I've got to start getting used to.

"We had a number of people stepping up to new roles and gaining experience in new positions, which was one of the main priorities of the test, and everyone was looking after each other, helping each other out, and just making sure we didn't drop any balls or make any mistakes. A good day overall."

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... -abu-dhabi

So, ALO get's a new race engineer?

Back in April I think, Aston opened a hiring position for race engineer. I'm curious to know who will pair with him.

[diffuser]

people are hopeful haha. and the only reason that he wouldn't be sharing information is if hes in need of a very well deserved vacation, and told no one to bother him until his gardening is up. thats entirely possible. but we also know that hes a very competitive and detail oriented guy that probably wants things to be in some sort of order before he actually comes to the office. and newey has been on the cutting edge of "pushing legal boundaries" for years, just like any successful car designer in f1 is. i wouldnt be suprised if alonso texts him from time to time and happens to casually bring up different settup challenges while they talk about good vacation spots either haha

He's not on gardening leave. He is no longer doing F1 work for RBR. but he still has to finish the Red Bull RB17 hypercar. In a youtube interview, said it would mostly be completed around the end of February 2025. After that it would move to manufacturing and there would be the occasional question on it but he would be free to work for AMR.

The RB17 was already launched, in October if I remember correctly.

That project is over apart from any promotional work that Newey might have agreed to.

Red Bull RB17 Availability

Production: The Red Bull RB17 is scheduled to begin production in 2025.
Limited Production: Only 50 units of the RB17 will be produced.
Sold Out: The initial batch of 50 units is already sold out.

[Waz]

Doesn't change that the car has already been launched. I doubt Newey is involved in production. As long as the other 49 look identical to the first one.

It will just be marketing fluff that he needs to do as the designer. Even if it's just a reworked Valkyrie.

[diffuser]

Doesn't change that the car has already been launched. I doubt Newey is involved in production. As long as the other 49 look identical to the first one.

It will just be marketing fluff that he needs to do as the designer. Even if it's just a reworked Valkyrie.

He said he has work to do on it till it hits production. He said it hits production at the end of February. So it may have launched but the design isn't finished.

[-wkst-]

Doesn't change that the car has already been launched. I doubt Newey is involved in production. As long as the other 49 look identical to the first one.

It will just be marketing fluff that he needs to do as the designer. Even if it's just a reworked Valkyrie.

He said he has work to do on it till it hits production. He said it hits production at the end of February. So it may have launched but the design isn't finished.

What should he say publicly...

It's like asking Dan Fallows how much fun he has currently at AM Technologies. With his paycheck I guess he won't say you the truth. He takes the big money until his contract expires and then will look for a new job.

[Nikosar]

Doesn't change that the car has already been launched. I doubt Newey is involved in production. As long as the other 49 look identical to the first one.

It will just be marketing fluff that he needs to do as the designer. Even if it's just a reworked Valkyrie.

He said he has work to do on it till it hits production. He said it hits production at the end of February. So it may have launched but the design isn't finished.

What should he say publicly...

It's like asking Dan Fallows how much fun he has currently at AM Technologies. With his paycheck I guess he won't say you the truth. He takes the big money until his contract expires and then will look for a new job.

He is first influence will be on the 26 car, end of the story. But let suppose he is "secretly" helping Aston, Why he should influence the 25 car ? Realistically it is a miracle if Aston will occasionally fight for a podium. The mid mid field battle will be very interesting but why we should fight for it ? it does not matter next year if we are 4th or 7th in the championship.

Aston wants him to work on AMR26. Of course the sooner they manage to start the better it is but there is no need to waste efforts on the AMR25 as it will be the last year of this regulation era.

Despite that with the new simulator, and the arriving new tunnel will help the development of the AMR25. So if we manage to produce a good car this winter they should be able to develop it better during the season, and only one good package will change everything.

[-wkst-]

Are you employed anywhere? I guess not. Otherwise you wouldn't write such things that it doesn't matter how next season will be. It's just ALO playing things down for obvious reasons.

It's a question of moral for the whole technical team that they deliver the desired results, gain confidence in the team. You won't drive suddenly at the sharp end of the grid 2026, coming from nowhere, because there's always a reason why you are nowhere.

Furthermore is a thing of prestige (and also prize money for the members).

And for me it's not that important that Newey is working full steam on the 2025 car, which he surely doesn't, but making himself a picture of the team (with relevant data, why they do certain things), that he arrives officially in the factory and things work.

[Rikrikrik]

I think Aston will start the 2025 season fighting between p12-p17 and it would be innocent to think they will not put the upgrades on new WT, 100% sure they would like to see the difference between their WT and the Mercede's WT and they will make this with AMR25. If next year they will have the same problems of 2023 and 2024 and make the car worse will be a huge problme to them. Doesnt matter where the work will be focus next year, that AMR25 need to improve during the seasion.

[diffuser]

Doesn't change that the car has already been launched. I doubt Newey is involved in production. As long as the other 49 look identical to the first one.

It will just be marketing fluff that he needs to do as the designer. Even if it's just a reworked Valkyrie.

He said he has work to do on it till it hits production. He said it hits production at the end of February. So it may have launched but the design isn't finished.

What should he say publicly...

It's like asking Dan Fallows how much fun he has currently at AM Technologies. With his paycheck I guess he won't say you the truth. He takes the big money until his contract expires and then will look for a new job.

You seem to think that nobody is watching these guys from the teams that are STILL paying them. That their are no ramifications if the get caught working for a new team while still under contract to the old team.

If that was the case, then AMR wouldn't have negotiated that hard with Ferrari to get Cardille out in January instead of having him wait till the original June.

I don't think they would put "gardening leave" into contracts, if they couldn't enforce them. Think about it, why would RBR pay Newey for a full year of him doing nothing F1 related if they couldn't make sure he wasn't working for AMR?

[-wkst-]

I don't think they would put "gardening leave" into contracts, if they couldn't enforce them. Think about it, why would RBR pay Newey for a full year of him doing nothing F1 related if they couldn't make sure he wasn't working for AMR?

Ask Marko what's his opinion on "gardening leave" regarding Rob Marshall, who officialy joined McLaren in 2024, after about half a year of "gardening leave"...

[diffuser]

I don't think they would put "gardening leave" into contracts, if they couldn't enforce them. Think about it, why would RBR pay Newey for a full year of him doing nothing F1 related if they couldn't make sure he wasn't working for AMR?

Ask Marko what's his opinion on "gardening leave" regarding Rob Marshall, who officialy joined McLaren in 2024, after about half a year of "gardening leave"...

Forget what he says, cause he says all kinds of BS to influence different people. What he does is, he still puts ¨gardening leave¨ into ALL the contracts of people that work for RBR. So he can say what he wants but he is still paying Newey 10 Million (or whatever his salary is) to do nothing and he has the same clause in all the people that work for RBR's. So it must be effective to some degree. Does he wish that he can prevent Newey from ever working in F1 again, YES.

[Sherrinford]

Of course, as many say, it makes no difference where you are in 2025 if you are not fighting for the world championship it is irrelevant. Either you start the season fighting to win or you dedicate yourself directly to 2026, there is no middle ground. In any case, I don't think they will be out of the points zone in 2025, it is still a team that has a lot of funds.

[diffuser]

I think Aston will start the 2025 season fighting between p12-p17 and it would be innocent to think they will not put the upgrades on new WT, 100% sure they would like to see the difference between their WT and the Mercede's WT and they will make this with AMR25. If next year they will have the same problems of 2023 and 2024 and make the car worse will be a huge problme to them. Doesnt matter where the work will be focus next year, that AMR25 need to improve during the seasion.

They've probably budgeted 2025 to be running on both tunnels. They'll probably start the year working primarily from the Merc tunnel and confirming what they see on the Silverstone tunnel. Then spend the year transitioning to the Silverstone tunnel as primary. Depending on how that correlation goes, between the 2 tunnels, will decide how fast they transition to the new tunnel.