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https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”
is this due to like cooling? every team has big air intake on top, while Ferrari's quite tiny in comparisonf1316 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2025, 01:43Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!
https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”
It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.
Negative. Ferrari just use less centreline cooling than the rivals. RBR use less through the sidepods. Horses for coursesFakepivot wrote: ↑06 Jan 2025, 18:22is this due to like cooling? every team has big air intake on top, while Ferrari's quite tiny in comparisonf1316 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2025, 01:43Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!
https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”
It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.
It just seems logical that every other engine manufacturer is in the same shoe.f1316 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2025, 01:43Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!
https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”
It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.
This can also only be measured during qualifying.
Fair enough but anecdotally you never hear about other teams ever “turning it up” (ie accessing an available engine mode not used at every race) like you always do for Ferrari at Monza. Maybe those teams don’t have a single race that’s as important for them as monza is for Ferrari or maybe Ferrari turning it all up is all make believe, but I tend to think there’s no smoke without fire for some of these rumours.sucof wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 19:03It just seems logical that every other engine manufacturer is in the same shoe.f1316 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2025, 01:43Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!
https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/“I think a little bit about Ferrari and Leclerc. I still think that Ferrari are going to put extra effort into the engines and still get the last bit out of it. It is strange that they were not completely there for a while and those people have everything in-house. They make everything themselves down to the last casting. Everything is produced there so I think it’s so clever and that’s why you sometimes think, now will they find the connection again and I think that will happen.”
It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.
Every engine is capable for more, for all the teams, it is a balancing act what the engine can take but still remain reliable.
If you think about engineering, you will find, there is just no other way to do any kind of device. No parts on any car is different. All of them could do more, for the cost of breaking earlier.
It is make believe yes. The most they do is get new engines for the race, I don’t even remember if they did so this year though.f1316 wrote: Fair enough but anecdotally you never hear about other teams ever “turning it up” (ie accessing an available engine mode not used at every race) like you always do for Ferrari at Monza. Maybe those teams don’t have a single race that’s as important for them as monza is for Ferrari or maybe Ferrari turning it all up is all make believe, but I tend to think there’s no smoke without fire for some of these rumours.
There is no "turn it up" option available for Ferrati or they would have taken it with Leclerc in Abu Dhabi. The fact he gained 11 positions on lap 1 is not something they could expect or predictf1316 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2025, 04:44Fair enough but anecdotally you never hear about other teams ever “turning it up” (ie accessing an available engine mode not used at every race) like you always do for Ferrari at Monza. Maybe those teams don’t have a single race that’s as important for them as monza is for Ferrari or maybe Ferrari turning it all up is all make believe, but I tend to think there’s no smoke without fire for some of these rumours.sucof wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 19:03It just seems logical that every other engine manufacturer is in the same shoe.f1316 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2025, 01:43Little tidbit, speculative certainty, but hey, when in Rome!
https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-cleve ... le-streak/
It has seemed to me like Ferrari have engine modes available that they can’t access regularly and still be reliable - I suspect the intention in 2022 with the freeze was to use these more regularly (with reliability fixes allowed) but it seems like they still haven’t fully resolved the issues that impacted 2022 (eg in Spain, Baku etc). I wouldn’t be surprised if there some latent potential there and, what with this being the last year of these engine regs, it’s kinda now or never.
Every engine is capable for more, for all the teams, it is a balancing act what the engine can take but still remain reliable.
If you think about engineering, you will find, there is just no other way to do any kind of device. No parts on any car is different. All of them could do more, for the cost of breaking earlier.
Well it was actually reported that they were going to in Abu Dhabi. Not sure if the data bears that out but it was certainly in motorsport.it ahead of the race.nico5 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2025, 22:41There is no "turn it up" option available for Ferrati or they would have taken it with Leclerc in Abu Dhabi. The fact he gained 11 positions on lap 1 is not something they could expect or predictf1316 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2025, 04:44Fair enough but anecdotally you never hear about other teams ever “turning it up” (ie accessing an available engine mode not used at every race) like you always do for Ferrari at Monza. Maybe those teams don’t have a single race that’s as important for them as monza is for Ferrari or maybe Ferrari turning it all up is all make believe, but I tend to think there’s no smoke without fire for some of these rumours.sucof wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 19:03
It just seems logical that every other engine manufacturer is in the same shoe.
Every engine is capable for more, for all the teams, it is a balancing act what the engine can take but still remain reliable.
If you think about engineering, you will find, there is just no other way to do any kind of device. No parts on any car is different. All of them could do more, for the cost of breaking earlier.
Shortening the wheelbase/car also tends to increase dragVanja #66 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2024, 10:40Rules require 0.539-0.554 on the rear axle, which isn't a lot of variation. 54mm in total for WB of 3600mm. However, even this small CoG variation isn't that small if you have a fore-placed CoP and you have a front-end downforce limit. For the two extreme CoP positions, you can gain 25-30 points if you keep the same load at the front axle but move the CoP to the rear (thus increasing rear axle load) and that's just basic math. In reality, you'll include larger part of the floor load on front axle simply by moving CoP to the rear, so thegsin is bigger than 30 points for sure, might even be bigger than 50 pointsmatteosc wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 17:49Thank you for the contribution! I am wondering how much they are able to move the CoG: if I remember correctly, there are rules which define its position (longitudinally) in a certain window. Does anyone have a more precise reference?
Definitely moving the CoP will have a big effect. I would also add that what is critical is also how the CoP moves with speed, as it can change the behaviour of the car, from understeering to oversteering or vice versa, from turn to turn.
You also lose a lot of downforce by doing it, because you also shorten the floor. It would be a very risky thing because:
- there can be unexpected changes to flow structures under the floor, leading to a loss of balance or "just" even more downforce
- you might lose so much downforce you can't get the tyres into their window, making the car prone to graining
- you could have some issues with heating because you have shorter sidepods, closer to front tyre wake and also too short bodywork for proper air cooling
Not everybody. When reading the 21 regs(floor cut), I instantly recognized that they were specifically designed to hurt long wheelbase cars by basing the floor cut on the front axle rather than the rear.