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[diffuser]

Are Aston going to be dusting off the old flexi wing from 2023?

Not very different to current Merc and McL

I doudt it would work very well with the current sidepods and floor entry and floor gates.

It's a silly suggestion. Sounds like a troll.

[FW17]

Are Aston going to be dusting off the old flexi wing from 2023?

Not very different to current Merc and McL

I doudt it would work very well with the current sidepods and floor entry and floor gates.

It's a silly suggestion. Sounds like a troll.

In 2023 Pierre Waché called out the flexi wing of Aston and Mercedes and said it would bring no benefit. Went as far as to say that front wing has a very diminished role in the GE tunnel regulationions

Aston had a good performing car with quiet exceptional performance at low speed while still having good high speed performance.

FIA asked Aston to change the design after the Baku GP. All updates on the car could never bring the balance to the car through the varying corner speeds. TD018 was brought in a little later and officially ruled against flexi wings

In 2024 Mclaren and Mercedes continued these same flexi front wings, but this time with FOM calling for more competition FIA never investigated flexi wings

Pierre Waché now feels the flexi wing concept is allowing other cars to have a better balance and better kerb riding performance.

[Waz]

This was already discussed in the flexi wing thread I think. Astons wing flexed differently an d around a device that made it illegal.

The wing flexed in 2 directions heavily

[FW17]

This was already discussed in the flexi wing thread I think. Astons wing flexed differently an d around a device that made it illegal.

The wing flexed in 2 directions heavily

Did it pass the deglection test?

[diffuser]

I doudt it would work very well with the current sidepods and floor entry and floor gates.

It's a silly suggestion. Sounds like a troll.

In 2023 Pierre Waché called out the flexi wing of Aston and Mercedes and said it would bring no benefit. Went as far as to say that front wing has a very diminished role in the GE tunnel regulationions

Aston had a good performing car with quiet exceptional performance at low speed while still having good high speed performance.

FIA asked Aston to change the design after the Baku GP. All updates on the car could never bring the balance to the car through the varying corner speeds. TD018 was brought in a little later and officially ruled against flexi wings

In 2024 Mclaren and Mercedes continued these same flexi front wings, but this time with FOM calling for more competition FIA never investigated flexi wings

Pierre Waché now feels the flexi wing concept is allowing other cars to have a better balance and better kerb riding performance.

not sure what you're trying to say.

[diffuser]

Are Aston going to be dusting off the old flexi wing from 2023?

Not very different to current Merc and McL

I doudt it would work very well with the current sidepods and floor entry and floor gates.

It's a silly suggestion. Sounds like a troll.

In 2023 Pierre Waché called out the flexi wing of Aston and Mercedes and said it would bring no benefit. Went as far as to say that front wing has a very diminished role in the GE tunnel regulationions

Aston had a good performing car with quiet exceptional performance at low speed while still having good high speed performance.

FIA asked Aston to change the design after the Baku GP. All updates on the car could never bring the balance to the car through the varying corner speeds. TD018 was brought in a little later and officially ruled against flexi wings

In 2024 Mclaren and Mercedes continued these same flexi front wings, but this time with FOM calling for more competition FIA never investigated flexi wings

Pierre Waché now feels the flexi wing concept is allowing other cars to have a better balance and better kerb riding performance.

Silverstone 2024 from KimiRai

[zoroastar]

do the flexi wings make it harder to follow? it doesnt seem like it would have that big of an affect. isnt the inability to ride curbs and finding the correct balance 2 of the main problems throughout this whole reg cycle? so why were they so strict about enforcing it when aston was doing it. it seems like the perfect time for the FIA to butt out, and worry about things that they can actually police correctly. like weight limits and salary caps or assymetric braking. give teams the freedom to actually build some stuff to set themselves apart from everyone else. as long as the FIA can actually police the salary cap correctly, no team is going to be able spend hundreds of millions on car development, or get a monopoly on all the best engineers like 10 years ago anyway. they should open up the regs a little and see what each team can build with their 150 million, or whatever the salary cap is now, and stop affecting the outcome.

[Waz]

This was already discussed in the flexi wing thread I think. Astons wing flexed differently an d around a device that made it illegal.

The wing flexed in 2 directions heavily

Did it pass the deglection test?

Doesn't matter, TD018 was clarified because of it, and the wing used a hinge like device to deflect in 2 directions, which is illegal.

If Fallows was still around, I would fully expect them to find a legal way to achieve that now the FIA are turning a blind eye. With Bob Bell having done most of the technical leadership on this car until recently, I don't know what to expect.

Without flexi front wing though, it will be nearly impossible to compete at the front.

[Ferro]

This was already discussed in the flexi wing thread I think. Astons wing flexed differently an d around a device that made it illegal.

The wing flexed in 2 directions heavily

Did it pass the deglection test?

Doesn't matter, TD018 was clarified because of it, and the wing used a hinge like device to deflect in 2 directions, which is illegal.

If Fallows was still around, I would fully expect them to find a legal way to achieve that now the FIA are turning a blind eye. With Bob Bell having done most of the technical leadership on this car until recently, I don't know what to expect.

Without flexi front wing though, it will be nearly impossible to compete at the front.

I honestly have my doubts that AM will miss Fallows to create a flexible front wing. There are technicians from Dan's time still at AM where they surely have the skills to do it, I don't think this aspect depends only on Bob Bell. Also the recent technical additions will have something to say about it after the experience in their former teams.

[diffuser]

This was already discussed in the flexi wing thread I think. Astons wing flexed differently an d around a device that made it illegal.

The wing flexed in 2 directions heavily

Did it pass the deglection test?

Doesn't matter, TD018 was clarified because of it, and the wing used a hinge like device to deflect in 2 directions, which is illegal.

If Fallows was still around, I would fully expect them to find a legal way to achieve that now the FIA are turning a blind eye. With Bob Bell having done most of the technical leadership on this car until recently, I don't know what to expect.

Without flexi front wing though, it will be nearly impossible to compete at the front.

As the video from Silverstone shows, they had a flexi front wing in 2024.

Good description, in the end, of what was the TD018 ban. We usually get comments from people that don't have a clue of what the whole flexi front wing ban was.

[-wkst-]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/323597/c ... -test.html

GPblog reported first that AMR and Mercedes will do a filming day 1 day before the test days in Bahrain.

[KimiRai]

Nugnes (pinch of salt) says Aston does not want to put the 2026 model into the Mercedes wind tunnel, they are waiting for the new one to be finished which is late in the calibration phase. Newey arrives March 5. Nugnes says Max is not interested in Aston and wants a Merc engine for the new regs

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10689951/

[peewon]

Nugnes (pinch of salt) says Aston does not want to put the 2026 model into the Mercedes wind tunnel, they are waiting for the new one to be finished which is late in the calibration phase. Newey arrives March 5. Nugnes says Max is not interested in Aston and wants a Merc engine for the new regs

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10689951/

Thats interesting. Both Toto and Russell have said very optimistic things about their PU. Them and Ferrari are by far the most advanced in terms of development of the new PU. Another point of reference that supports it the fact that Alpine chose to go with Mercedes as their supplier.

[KimiRai]

Nugnes (pinch of salt) says Aston does not want to put the 2026 model into the Mercedes wind tunnel, they are waiting for the new one to be finished which is late in the calibration phase. Newey arrives March 5. Nugnes says Max is not interested in Aston and wants a Merc engine for the new regs

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10689951/

Thats interesting. Both Toto and Russell have said very optimistic things about their PU. Them and Ferrari are by far the most advanced in terms of development of the new PU. Another point of reference that supports it the fact that Alpine chose to go with Mercedes as their supplier.

I don't agree with him on that, I think Max will eventually come to Aston. I could be wrong though, of course.

[Bill]

Nugnes (pinch of salt) says Aston does not want to put the 2026 model into the Mercedes wind tunnel, they are waiting for the new one to be finished which is late in the calibration phase. Newey arrives March 5. Nugnes says Max is not interested in Aston and wants a Merc engine for the new regs

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10689951/

Thats interesting. Both Toto and Russell have said very optimistic things about their PU. Them and Ferrari are by far the most advanced in terms of development of the new PU. Another point of reference that supports it the fact that Alpine chose to go with Mercedes as their supplier.

I don't agree with him on that, I think Max will eventually come to Aston. I could be wrong though, of course.

Them and ferrari are the most advance in terms of developments?can you explain how you came to that conclusion,or just because those 2 have have high opinion of their brands then they must be all great and wonderful.japanese companies leads in hybrid and toyota are the best in wec .the tech will be similar to wec.