Ferrari Project 677 Speculation Thread

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f1316 wrote:
25 Jan 2025, 15:40
Henri wrote:
25 Jan 2025, 04:46
I think its true paddock rumours are normally right. The ashton ones where true.. we need the sf25 to have the advantage the rb19 had over tha field 8 tenths lol 😂
I’ve said this earlier in the thread but often with these pre season rumours there’s no smoke without fire - in addition to the AM example, I remember the rumours about the 2012 Ferrari being bad emerged early. The paddock - including the journalists - is a tight knit community that flies round the world together most of the year and people talk. It’s not to be relied on but often there turns out to be a bit of truth in there.

Of course, strict comparisons are hard but I suspect it’s more just vibes on how optimistic the noises coming out of the various teams are.
I think most of the headlines and rumours are just hyped up predictions with no evidence. There’s a lot of noise with Ferrari due to them saying their car will be 95% different. Same way there’s a lot of noise around Red bull about how they’ve solved all the problems of the rb20 for this season coming.

Until it hits the track on anger, nobody will know! We’re approaching the peak of these regs so I expect a very tight bunch at the front, I don’t see anyone being more than 2 tenths faster then the next car, if that.

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Agree, so many rumour at this point and before there's any real way of those commentators knowing something tangible.

To look at it the other way though, if they've not got reasonable and wide ranging small improvement in many areas, Ferrari that is, then they'll be outside the top three teams for pace come that first race.

There's just so many people across all the teams looking at all the performance and design components from last year that all will inexorably move the performance target further along.

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f1316 wrote:
24 Jan 2025, 14:33
In this video Martin Brundle briefly makes reference to the feeling (the rumour) that Ferrari may have found more over the winter than the others, like McLaren:

Very non specific and insubstantial but often this stuff tends to leak out, so could be a good sign.
He's saying this in order to hype up both Lewis' new team, and also the upcoming championship season. I doubt he's really heard anything substantive.

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Seanspeed wrote:
25 Jan 2025, 23:19
f1316 wrote:
24 Jan 2025, 14:33
In this video Martin Brundle briefly makes reference to the feeling (the rumour) that Ferrari may have found more over the winter than the others, like McLaren:

Very non specific and insubstantial but often this stuff tends to leak out, so could be a good sign.
He's saying this in order to hype up both Lewis' new team, and also the upcoming championship season. I doubt he's really heard anything substantive.
Well, this is a speculation thread!

It would be the first time a British journalist ever gave Ferrari any more credit than absolutely necessary, but maybe Hamilton driving the car makes a difference. Anyway, not saying we should count on this being true, just that it’s interesting that these are the rumours.

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A bit more interesting then a simple speculation: Haas leader Komatsu recently told reporters they will not change their front suspension.
As they are using Ferrari parts, he later kinda confirmed that there will be a big change there, as he said, they do not want to take the risk and extra time to accommodate any big changes that is not necessary.
This could be the most trustworthy sign of Ferrari going pull rod in the front.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why- ... /10691141/

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sucof wrote:
26 Jan 2025, 11:41
A bit more interesting then a simple speculation: Haas leader Komatsu recently told reporters they will not change their front suspension.
As they are using Ferrari parts, he later kinda confirmed that there will be a big change there, as he said, they do not want to take the risk and extra time to accommodate any big changes that is not necessary.
This could be the most trustworthy sign of Ferrari going pull rod in the front.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why- ... /10691141/
It was already practically confirmed that they are going pull rod. Ferrari leaks are pretty much always dead on. The technical part of the team leaks like a sieve.

What I do think this confirms is that Ferrari is aiming for very different characteristics. The switch from pull rod to push rod is theoretically just about packaging and airflow and shouldn't impact how the tyre interacts with the track.

What Komatsu said strongly indicates that Ferrari wants a pretty drastic change in car handling and that the 677 will be quite different.

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Obviously, the Haas team doesn't influence Ferrari primary design consideration. But does offer some view or contrast for us observers.

It looks more like the Haas decision (to me, at least) is based on really getting their floor into a very competitive window later in the 24 season. As the predictions and speculation about "pull" is most in downstream aero influence and potential, looks like they'd not be up for it in committed development of their aero surfaces to that degree within 25 season. Thats entirely reasonable.

For the Ferrari, yes it appears an open information that they are switching, from which I speculated before, they must see clear advance potential in, what is effectively, a long appraisal of their "push" and tracking the aero development of others using pull type front throughout this era of rules.

Its a big year this year, being so close to success in WCC last, then potentially both WC titles this season.

Really stretching out their thinking, design and application needs to be part of this strategy. It doesn't always mean a technical change, but the basis of consideration SHOULD be absolutely flat out to define if benefits are tangible and within grasp.