Where is Kimi racing next year?

[roost89]

Just imagine Hamilton and Alonso running for the same car?

For a team that neither has a previous affiliation...say Williams.

[modbaraban]

That sounds a bit like that commercial "anything you can do, I can do better..."

[xpensive]

What if we throw in "manage you own pneumatic starter-gun and buckle-up, drive safely now"?
Some drivers wouldn't know where to begin.

[mx_tifoso]

I just got off the phone with Kimi and he confirmed that he'll be at Ferrari next year. Good day gang.

[bergzy]

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thus,-the-team-is-probably-going-to-be-fernando-racing-with-kimi.-hopefully,-it-will-not-be-a-repeat-of-the-hamilton-alonso-season.-but,-ironically,-this-helped-kimi-win-the-drivers-championship-that-season.

i tried to make the typed version sound like how kimi would speak in his interview during the post race podium press conference. that would be two breaths, i think.

[ds.raikkonen]

I cant imagine SF without Kimi Their combination has been one of the best ever.

[Miguel]

I cant imagine SF without Kimi Their combination has been one of the best ever.

As much as I appreciate Kimi, I can't agree with you. Sorry. IMHO, Ferrari had the best car in 2007 and 2008, only won in 2007 due to McLaren politics. 2008 is more doubtful, since the Ferrari sucked in the rain until Brazil and that year was the rainiest season since... since... I don't know. It certainly looked the rainiest season in the 21st century.

EDIT: On the other hand, the second part of 2009 has seen a stunning Kimi as hasn't been seen since probably 2006.

[mike]

-Ferrari didnt have the best car in 2007, mclaren did

-Ferrari lost the 2008 to the rain and lewis driving into kimi and piquet into the wall.

-point is kimi is probly the fastest driver out there, so it will be a shame if Ferrari were to lose him to another team.

-If Ferrari were to kick him out then the only person that is good enought to drive Ferrari is probly Alonso, but for what ever reason Ferrari picked Kimi instead to Alonso in 2005, i can not believe that would pick Alonso out of no where because there is simply no reason to do so.

-07 08 09 Kimi had 3 more wins more than Alonso, 4 if you don count singapore 08, and 1 more championship and a few more fastest laps. they both got paid nearly the same amount of money its weird why Alonso is favoured for the seat in 2010. Yes you can blame it on the car but Alonso was the great "development" driver. where is that now? Same could be said for kimi. So as kimi said no driver design cars. If the car is not to his driving style, thats not his fault.

-Regardless of where he race, he will be fast and he wont speak more than 3 sentences in an interview.

[ds.raikkonen]

On the other hand, the second part of 2009 has seen a stunning Kimi as hasn't been seen since probably 2006.

Yeah, but the F60 has been far from stunning and a driver like Kimi had to make do without many wins, except for Spa

[Miguel]

I'll reply to mike point by point. I'm sorry if that bothers other people.

• Ferrari didnt have the best car in 2007, mclaren did
• Ferrari lost the 2008 to the rain and lewis driving into kimi and piquet into the wall.
• Kimi is probly the fastest driver out there, so it will be a shame if Ferrari were to lose him to another team.
• 07 08 09 Kimi had 3 more wins more than Alonso, 4 if you don count singapore 08, and 1 more championship and a few more fastest laps.
• Regardless of where he race, he will be fast and he wont speak more than 3 sentences in an interview.

• The McLaren was faster in Monaco, Monza, Canada and maybe the Hungaroring. Nowhere else. IMHO McLaren got a 1-2 in the US probably thanks to the Stepney affair. Even if we concede Indy, that still makes Ferrari faster in 12/17 races.
• I have the feeling team and driver mistakes were also costly in 2008. Blaming the Piquet crash in Singapore is worse than saying that Alonso didn't win in 2007 due to the SC period in Canada.
• Massa hasn't been particularly slower than Kimi since the ban of TC (even though he crashed in the first two races without TC).
• The additional title, races and fastest laps Kimi got may be somewhat related to the fact that Ferrari has been much quicker than Renault during the last 18 months.
• Totally agree with that. I also think the McLaren will suit Kimi better.

[siskue2005]

I'll reply to mike point by point. I'm sorry if that bothers other people.

• Ferrari didnt have the best car in 2007, mclaren did
• Ferrari lost the 2008 to the rain and lewis driving into kimi and piquet into the wall.
• Kimi is probly the fastest driver out there, so it will be a shame if Ferrari were to lose him to another team.
• 07 08 09 Kimi had 3 more wins more than Alonso, 4 if you don count singapore 08, and 1 more championship and a few more fastest laps.
• Regardless of where he race, he will be fast and he wont speak more than 3 sentences in an interview.

• The McLaren was faster in Monaco, Monza, Canada and maybe the Hungaroring. Nowhere else. IMHO McLaren got a 1-2 in the US probably thanks to the Stepney affair. Even if we concede Indy, that still makes Ferrari faster in 12/17 races.

12/17 thats too much mate!

Lets look one by one

1. Australia >> Ferrari
2. Malaysia >> Equal
3. Bahrain >> Ferrari
4. Spain >> Ferrari
5. Monaco >> Mclaren
6. Canada >> Mclaren
7. Indy >> Mclaren(i dont know why you said Stefany,their car was perfect for Indy)
8. France >> Ferrari
9. Silverstone >> Equal
10. Nurburring >> Equal (the rain made it equal)
11. Hungary >> Mclaren
12. Turkey >> Ferrari
13. Italy >> Mclaren
14. Belgium >> Ferrari
15. Japan >> Mclaren (rain)
16. China >> Mclaren (rain)
17. Brazil >> Ferrari

More over
Kimi had 2 mechanical DNFs
Massa had 1 mechanical DNF

Lewis had ZERO mechanical DNF
Alonso had ZERO mechanical DNF

the list stands 7 for Ferrari and 7 for MClaren.

moreover the Ferrari was unreliable
Mclaren fast and reliable , which makes it the faster car to have in 2007

[Miguel]

In Indy McLaren only managed to achieve the Ferrari speed by putting a lot of wing, and they were the slowest team (speed traps during the race are modified with tows). In my own conspiracy theory, McLaren knew how fast Ferrari could go and used this knowledge to sacrifice top speed for absolute laptime (rarely done on Indy). But again, that's just my impression.

On Silverstone, Ferrari was certainly the quicker car, and this also applies to Nurburgring. Kimi missed the pitlane entry on the first lap and Massa drove slowly with the rain.

You should remember that Ferrari didn't have the 2008 rain woes in 2007. Ferrari compromised its Japanese GP when they insisted to start on inters, and were lucky to even start the race. I'm 100% sure Ferrari wasn't a slower car through Fuji. Kimi won easily in Shanghai, and even more so once Ron decided to race Fernando.

Regarding reliability, Lewis crashed in Nurburgring with a broken wheel and Fernando's gearbox quit working in France. They were somewhat luckier in the races, though.

[siskue2005]

In Indy McLaren only managed to achieve the Ferrari speed by putting a lot of wing, and they were the slowest team (speed traps during the race are modified with tows). In my own conspiracy theory, McLaren knew how fast Ferrari could go and used this knowledge to sacrifice top speed for absolute laptime (rarely done on Indy). But again, that's just my impression.

Its only ur assumption, but still their car was clearly faster

On Silverstone, Ferrari was certainly the quicker car, and this also applies to Nurburgring. Kimi missed the pitlane entry on the first lap and Massa drove slowly with the rain.

Silverstone, Alonso and Lewis lead almpost 75% of the race
Quly Mclaren 1-3, Ferrari 2-5

Nurburgring > the rain really ruined all Ferrari's pace....and Alonso was always 2 to 3 sec behind Massa...and They were EQUAL here as i posted above

You should remember that Ferrari didn't have the 2008 rain woes in 2007.

Surely the Ferrari was slower than MClaren in rain in 2007 aswell, there are many quotes from Kimi and Massa confirming this

Ferrari compromised its Japanese GP when they insisted to start on inters, and were lucky to even start the race. I'm 100% sure Ferrari wasn't a slower car through Fuji. Kimi won easily in Shanghai, and even more so once Ron decided to race Fernando.

Fuji >> 1-2 in quly...track similar to Indy, Both Mclarens Faster than Ferraris from FP2 till quly!...Rain proving even more in favor to Mclaren
And for your Info it was not Ferrari screwing to put inters , as FIA's stupid email didnot reach them in time.(do you think they would purposly put inters even after an order from FIA?)

Sanghai?? >> Lewis was leading comfortably in rain, and we all knew what happened in the pit entry! it was Lewis screwing a race which he was easily on pace

Regarding reliability, Lewis crashed in Nurburgring with a broken wheel and Fernando's gearbox quit working in France. They were somewhat luckier in the races, though.

I was talking about race ending problems, If we go with your list then
Massa had gearbox failure in Australia
Kimi's suspension failure in Monza

And to add to all these, Mclaren knew every detail of the Ferrari car and even knew when they will pit, thanks to Stefany ........an opponent like that is going to be Stronger than the other one.

Mclaren and Ferrari had almost equal cars PACE wise
Mclaren had a BETTER car RELIABILITY wise
Mclaren had a BETTER car STRATEGICALLY
Mclaren had a BETTER car ILLEGALLY by knowing all the details about the Ferrari

[ringo]

Kimi fans why make excuses for Kimi?
As you said both cars were fairly equal that season, nothing compared to what we are seeing with the Brawns and RBR.
From my observation i did not see either as being outright better.

At the end of the day Lewis was a rookie, Kimi was a 6 year veteran and Alonso was a 2 time champion at the time and the WDC went down to 1 point. That speaks for itself.

Kimi is in the top three but i wouldn't waste time comparing him to Alonso or Hamilton. All have their strong points and weaknesses.

[roost89]

This is way off topic. This is not a 'Ferrari vs McLaren' thread, it's a 'Where is Kimi racing next year?' thread.

On topic please

With the confirmation of Alonso going to Ferrari it adds an extra dynamic of who with? I personally think he'll still be in F1, he's too fast and experienced not too have in your team.