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edgelo wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 10:53
Watching the images of the car rolling at Bahrein it looks to me like there is a light coming through the middle of the sidepods entry like there is a hole.

I can’t see in the rear where this light come from, so I doubt if it is some kind of light sensor, but it seems to me we can see the colours behind the car.

Have you noticed it?
https://i.postimg.cc/dkYx6kCw/IMG-6178.jpg
It's a thermal camera.

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edgelo wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 10:53
Watching the images of the car rolling at Bahrein it looks to me like there is a light coming through the middle of the sidepods entry like there is a hole.

I can’t see in the rear where this light come from, so I doubt if it is some kind of light sensor, but it seems to me we can see the colours behind the car.

Have you noticed it?
https://i.postimg.cc/dkYx6kCw/IMG-6178.jpg
That was evident in predecessor from the footage I've seen. It LOOKS like a IR filter screen is how I'd describe it, circular and guess @ approx 50mm diameter ? If that's the case, it seems to be looking at the front tyre, possibly.

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edgelo wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 10:53
Watching the images of the car rolling at Bahrein it looks to me like there is a light coming through the middle of the sidepods entry like there is a hole.

I can’t see in the rear where this light come from, so I doubt if it is some kind of light sensor, but it seems to me we can see the colours behind the car.

Have you noticed it?
https://i.postimg.cc/dkYx6kCw/IMG-6178.jpg
Probably a thermal camera, they used to put it in the FW.

Edit: didn't see the post of brandon, mb.
Just posting

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Ferrari are now back to their original outwash generation with a vertical wall, but even more moderate than SF-23 A-spec. By pulling the whole sidepod inlet to the back, they've allowed the car to require less pressurisation to provide the flow management they need to keep the rear end clear of massive front wheel turbulence

By adding a horizontal wing-like surface above, they are now adding interference phenomena to this design (unlike F1-75 and SF-23A) and this will increase both the pressurisation at the front and suction to the rear. The area around the curvature under the Shell logo is particularly interesting. Here, flow will accelerate under the influence of both the bottom and side undercut surfaces, which will increase the local suction peak due to positive interference

As both these surface are forward-facing, this suction peak means Ferrari are generating some amount of thrust in this small local area. This is a known phenomena and it's used for overall drag reduction when executed properly. This area around the VistaJet logo will probably evolve with the next upgrade package and I'd bet it will be replaced by a more streamlined surface like the rest of the grid

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They have a new shorter gearbox, am I correct?
I was curious if they used the gained space for the diffuser, and it seems like that to me.

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sucof wrote:
28 Feb 2025, 11:37
They have a new shorter gearbox, am I correct?
I was curious if they used the gained space for the diffuser, and it seems like that to me.
Looks that way. Central and side vertical kicks on the boat section seem to be adding efficient downforce, being in high ground effect zone, which is why teams try using them as much as possible most likely. They are probably susceptible to ride height changes and this is why Ferrari and Red Bull had to remove them after the summer break last year
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Less undercut, as the base of the sidepod is closer to the edge of the floor, but a shorter sidepod bulge if we look at where the shell logo is on the pod.
Should result in less change of flow direction vertically, which is good for lift reduction and pitch sensitivity, and more of the flow changing lateral as the flow is pushed around the sidepod to the outside as some of it comes back around the rear ahead of the tyres.

This car should be a good one to hustle around and provide confidence. Looks very drivable from the onboards. Doesn't seem fussy at all.
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One thing I haven't seen talked about is that for all the reduction in sidepod size, the lower part that meets the floor has become noticeably bulkier this year. So I think we can see where some of the internal repackaging efforts have gone.

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Seanspeed wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 01:12
One thing I haven't seen talked about is that for all the reduction in sidepod size, the lower part that meets the floor has become noticeably bulkier this year. So I think we can see where some of the internal repackaging efforts have gone.
SF25 not the only one to have followed this route either…

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Seanspeed wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 01:12
One thing I haven't seen talked about is that for all the reduction in sidepod size, the lower part that meets the floor has become noticeably bulkier this year. So I think we can see where some of the internal repackaging efforts have gone.
Ton of empty volume underneath the sidepod. They can always pull the v-wall back if need be. What's interesting is how far outboard the floor stays are mounted.

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That's a good image with interesting details. Alot of control system housed in/under there.

Unsure if many realise how low the ICE unit is mounted too if you've seen one in build, below the plenum and turbo architecture it would effectively be below the P part of sidepod entrance for height. The transmission takes input from clutch very low down, ultimately to step the drive route up to the diff mounted at highest point in case, this to bring drive output up to wheel spindle level.

This image is showing quite an amazing level of compactness in cooling system as well.

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 08:07
Seanspeed wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 01:12
One thing I haven't seen talked about is that for all the reduction in sidepod size, the lower part that meets the floor has become noticeably bulkier this year. So I think we can see where some of the internal repackaging efforts have gone.
Ton of empty volume underneath the sidepod. They can always pull the v-wall back if need be. What's interesting is how far outboard the floor stays are mounted.

https://ibb.co/5X291cJQ
Exactly what I wanted to say.
I noticed 2 different trends, some cars try to create a high pressure point there, some try to avoid it.
At least we know Ferrari is not unable to create a larger cutout, but they choose not to!

This means either different floor philosophies, or different aero tunnel correlation perhaps?
I think that area is the most deciding factor of current cars, determining if the car is stable in the corners or less so. Other aerodynamic parts seems to be a lot more straightforward and understood I think.