2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[NAPI10]

Happy for Lance to bring home some points. Though his race pace was poor.
Last year, China exposed AMR24's tragic difference between 'Quali Pace' vs 'Race Pace'. Perfect track to compare AMR25 performance.

[Alo_Fan]

Well played to Stroll this weekend. Kept it on the road and didn't make any mistakes. Some very good points for the team, we are temporarily ahead of Ferrari in the WCC (lol).

Alonso was pushing to hard,was the 2nd or 3th fastest just 0.4 sec slower than Norris in that few last lap before crash.I have no idea where came that speed from. Antonelly came fast from behind,then he started to push i think. But if he could be so fast then i dont understand why he was saving for so long.Next week China ,i think Aston will be better there at quali.

Yeah, looking forward to China. It is also one of Alonso's best tracks!

[-wkst-]

And gravel on track only happend to ALO in this wet race, with a lot of gravel-run-off-areas?

I don't want to know how often such incidents happend today.

The ALO community follows a little bit to much the "Kimi Räikkönen way" nowadays. There's always a reason why A or B happened and things didn't work out. I always liked the "Fernando Alonso way", just pure racing and no BS. In the end noone drove into him, he just lost the car with some gravel on track. Hopefully a better result in China.

Norris drove off track
Verstappen drove off track
Piastri drove off track and spun
Leclerc spun
Antonelli drove off track and spun
Gasly drove off track
Tsunoda drove off track
Lawson crashed
Bortoleto crashed
Sainz crashed
Doohan crashed
Hadjar crashed

This is only what we saw live or on replay. Conditions were tough yesterday when almost everyone made an error of some kind. Alonso's resulted in a race retirement. It happens. I still mitigate part of the error due to excessive gravel off turn 6 at a time when he was pushing hard to pass at the time, and I feel that is being objective.

Absolutely, the conditions were not easy, but 14 drivers were able to finish and STR for example did nothing wrong and benefited (horrible race pace btw).


Regarding race pace people exaggerate. Yeah, ALO had 3-4 competitive laps at the end of his race, his last lap was a 28.8 (NOR still 27.6…), but you have to see also the other side that he saved tyres in a lot of race stints and lost lap time there. I don’t think there’s much between AMR, Alpine, Williams and RB. But that what’s Cowell already said before the season started. Margins will decide…

[Alo_Fan]

And gravel on track only happend to ALO in this wet race, with a lot of gravel-run-off-areas?

I don't want to know how often such incidents happend today.

The ALO community follows a little bit to much the "Kimi Räikkönen way" nowadays. There's always a reason why A or B happened and things didn't work out. I always liked the "Fernando Alonso way", just pure racing and no BS. In the end noone drove into him, he just lost the car with some gravel on track. Hopefully a better result in China.

Norris drove off track
Verstappen drove off track
Piastri drove off track and spun
Leclerc spun
Antonelli drove off track and spun
Gasly drove off track
Tsunoda drove off track
Lawson crashed
Bortoleto crashed
Sainz crashed
Doohan crashed
Hadjar crashed

This is only what we saw live or on replay. Conditions were tough yesterday when almost everyone made an error of some kind. Alonso's resulted in a race retirement. It happens. I still mitigate part of the error due to excessive gravel off turn 6 at a time when he was pushing hard to pass at the time, and I feel that is being objective.

Absolutely, the conditions were not easy, but 14 drivers were able to finish and STR for example did nothing wrong and benefited (horrible race pace btw).


Regarding race pace people exaggerate. Yeah, ALO had 3-4 competitive laps at the end of his race, his last lap was a 28.8 (NOR still 27.6…), but you have to see also the other side that he saved tyres in a lot of race stints and lost lap time there. I don’t think there’s much between AMR, Alpine, Williams and RB. But that what’s Cowell already said before the season started. Margins will decide…

Yeah I tend to agree, I think in race pace we are very close with those 3 teams, Vowles hinted in preseason testing, that 1 tenth separates Williams and the front end of the midfield. I really hope we're not too far from Ferrari/Merc at certain tracks and can beat Lawson.

[diffuser]

This entire GP was a huge missed opportunity. A good qualifying you could have put it between p5-p9. Race pace wasn't as good (though better than Alpine) but overtaking was extremely difficult in these conditions so you could have held that position pretty well. Sadly it was not possible.

And now the changing conditions and craziness... this was the race that the old Fernando would excel in. But instead second mistake. I think a podium was completely possible today from his part if he'd started much further ahead. Stroll decent job but honestly he never showed any kind of real speed in the entire GP.

Fernando keeps making uncharacteristic mistakes, I keep pointing it out, and I keep getting strong reactions. But it is becoming impossible to ignore. And again, Cowell and Newey are not blind....

Piastri, Norris, Hamilton, Sainz all went off at different times too. Maybe they should replace all them as well?

[Jambier]

Good race by Lance!

Still I don’t know what to think, in qualy it was one of the worst car only ahead of Haas and Stake :/

Let’s see on another track.

For sure there is McLaren, thenMercedes RBR and Ferrari

But appart those top team, I think battle for best of the rest is very open.
If Newey can take a look at this car and they finally manage to do upgrade they could get this P5 easily.

[vas_04614]

China is front limited and this year we heard a lot that AMR25 is under-steery. Does under steer benefit or hurt in china?

[TyreSlip]

China is front limited and this year we heard a lot that AMR25 is under-steery. Does under steer benefit or hurt in china?

Hurt. The long sweeping corners would burn up the fronts if it understeered (which is what happened in China last year because the car was purposely setup to avoid the car's bad tyre slip). How much the AMR25 is understeering is to be determined.

In FP3, a setup that Alonso tried understeered in S3 no matter how much front wing was added. But when Alonso went back to an older setup from FP2, the car wasn't as bad. We'll see soon enough.

[Alo_Fan]

China is front limited and this year we heard a lot that AMR25 is under-steery. Does under steer benefit or hurt in china?

The AMR25 is a modified version of the AMR24, I remember it was quite handy last year in Alonso's hands, at least on low fuel. Hoping for a decent result, especially as Alonso usually excels around there.

[zoroastar]

This entire GP was a huge missed opportunity. A good qualifying you could have put it between p5-p9. Race pace wasn't as good (though better than Alpine) but overtaking was extremely difficult in these conditions so you could have held that position pretty well. Sadly it was not possible.

And now the changing conditions and craziness... this was the race that the old Fernando would excel in. But instead second mistake. I think a podium was completely possible today from his part if he'd started much further ahead. Stroll decent job but honestly he never showed any kind of real speed in the entire GP.

Fernando keeps making uncharacteristic mistakes, I keep pointing it out, and I keep getting strong reactions. But it is becoming impossible to ignore. And again, Cowell and Newey are not blind....

Bruh... Why are you here? Podium? In what world? Give Alonso a decent car and he won't have to overdrive it and make mistakes... They are not ditching him and Max is not joining in 2026, your fantasies are void lol
The car is still not good enough for anything, if Newey does some magic to help it turn it around Alonso won't have to overdrive it and no mistakes then. And Stroll got his position tnx to Alonso, so in theory daddys boy got direct help from Alonso. Shall we call it a Renault Singapore style setup?

people need to just admit that they dont like alonso, and are counting the days until he is washed up so that they can say "i told you so" its bound to happen eventually (isnt it?) people mayy not remember NOW but alonso has had quite a few incidents in the wet in the past. he slid out at silverstone in a mclaren in 16 or 17 when pushing too hard chasing down somebody. im too lazy to get the specifics.. unfortunate that he didnt run a perfect race today. the good news is the car doesnt seem like its as bad as everyone feared.

[zoroastar]

And gravel on track only happend to ALO in this wet race, with a lot of gravel-run-off-areas?

I don't want to know how often such incidents happend today.

The ALO community follows a little bit to much the "Kimi Räikkönen way" nowadays. There's always a reason why A or B happened and things didn't work out. I always liked the "Fernando Alonso way", just pure racing and no BS. In the end noone drove into him, he just lost the car with some gravel on track. Hopefully a better result in China.

raikkonen was off the mark for several years before he finally retired. the difference here is that alonso still performs 9 out of 10 races and on the 11th there are people that come on specifically to point out how old he is.the two examples dont have anything in common. nobody is calling for every other driver that made mistakes in the rain (which is every driver) to be sacked. or maybe they are and i just havent been in the threads. rather harsh fanbase if thats the case. it is what it is.

[bananapeel23]

Unusual mistake from Alonso today. It looked super odd to me. He wasn't really taking that much kerb yet it sent him spinning.

Obviously still a mistake, but it still feels like he was a bit unlucky to spin there. Several drivers took way more aggressive lines through the corner and didn't end up spinning. Good points for the team either way with Stroll pulling out his annual great performance in the wet.

[Sedaxel]

This entire GP was a huge missed opportunity. A good qualifying you could have put it between p5-p9. Race pace wasn't as good (though better than Alpine) but overtaking was extremely difficult in these conditions so you could have held that position pretty well. Sadly it was not possible.

And now the changing conditions and craziness... this was the race that the old Fernando would excel in. But instead second mistake. I think a podium was completely possible today from his part if he'd started much further ahead. Stroll decent job but honestly he never showed any kind of real speed in the entire GP.

Fernando keeps making uncharacteristic mistakes, I keep pointing it out, and I keep getting strong reactions. But it is becoming impossible to ignore. And again, Cowell and Newey are not blind....

Piastri, Norris, Hamilton, Sainz all went off at different times too. Maybe they should replace all them as well?

And Alo happened to face a gravel trap caused by the car in front of him. I wouldn't even call it a mistake. But hey...

[Ashwinv16]

China is front limited and this year we heard a lot that AMR25 is under-steery. Does under steer benefit or hurt in china?

Car is much more balanced. The Team made a set upt change and removed downforce but the cars design meant it jsut made it more understeery

[Ashwinv16]

I am also going to say Alonso and Stroll was able to find some time in the car after 30 laps something last year's car could'nt do. Strolls race pace was horrible compared to Alonso who was bidding his time behind Gasly until he picked up the pace as it dried up. Also so far race pace is looking excellent on Alonso side. Red Bull, Aston and Haas were all on the wrong set up as you can see from the pace In the third sector. I am going to be bold and say we definetly have the fourth fastest(maybe even faster than the Ferrari and the Mercs considering how Alonso dropped Antonelli in 3 laps) car in the race now but 6-7th in quali at best with Alonso doing magic(stroll oace was mro repesetiive). So opposite to last year as far as I can see.