2025 Chinese Grand Prix [Shanghai] March 21-23

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 22:57
SB15 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 22:52
AR3-GP wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 22:30


The Mercedes of Russell is porpoising/bouncing quite badly through T7 (around 40 second timestamp). Can see it in Russell's head and you can hear it in the engine note (or maybe that's the plank hitting the ground)

There's also a hint of it on the Mclaren in the same place on piastri's run.

No sign of it on the Ferrari or the Red Bull.
The car is just oscillating at high speed, didn't hear the plank hitting the ground much at all. Maybe you believe it's porpoising because of the head movement, but it's more so they set their suspension softer just like the Mclaren's vs the Ferrari and Redbull, also the floor is stalling at a certain level.

Okay, I don' know what the phenomena is. I can just see that there is an oscillation that is not present in the Ferrari/Red Bull.
I think the Ferrari and Redbull can stall their suspensions where the floor generates lots of downforce through high speed, the Ferrari especially. The Redbull was being affected a tad bit, but the Ferrari was just smooth, probably due to them being able to run the car quite low. My biggest worry for Ferrari and Redbull is when we go to tracks like Austin and Canada with lot's of bumps.

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Artur Craft wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 18:10
Hoffman900 wrote: Let’s not forget, Michelin is responsible for probably the biggest tire farce in F1 history.
Michelin tyres are way faster, much more durable and consistent than anything Pirelli is able to.

Go on youtube and see comparisons videos between F1 and WEC from 2017 and 2018.

Also, in the 80s there was tyre war in F1 and Michelins were the best tyre by far, Goodyear a distant second and Pirelli was absolute trash, as it remains to be
F1 should give another tire company the specs for the current F1 season and tell them to make a tire that they can test. Just to see where the Pirelli tire is at. How else would they know ?

Judging by the onboards of the cars in the top row, something is wrong. The cars are just plowing through that first corner in Shanghai and it does not look like the pinnacle of motorsport. Maybe it is the Pirelli construction.

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zeph wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 10:11
Watch Hadjar be in the second RBR come August lol
The only difference would be, Hadjar would just bin it rather than settle for P20. And Lawson would do a Gasly at Racing Bulls.

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The start of the race could be a rolling start since there is a oil spill on track on right side of the starting grid and which will be a unfair advantage to people starting on left. Currently the F1 Academy is doing the same.

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SB15 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:06
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I don’t know why you have this vendetta against Antonelli, like what did he do to you?
Can I invert the question? Why do you love him so much? Always looking for excuses for his lack of speed while hyping up his Melbourne race in which he drove one of the quickest cars of the grid

This is a friendly post, I might have a bias against him because I can't stand hyped drivers but you do seem to have a bias in his favour, which is normal for F1 fans. But, should F1 forums be just fan clubs of drivers?

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Hoffman900 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 18:36
Ok, let's talk about having an axe to grind and also about bad reading comprehension.

Regardless of what is demanded from Pirelli, if they made their tyres more durable ,more stable and less affected by thermal degradation, it would be much slower than what it already is ( other than weight, everything in the current regulation_ like big downforce, wide slick tyres, DRS, more Power and torque and etc..._ favours today's car. Yet, despite a new surface, they barely went faster than the race lap record done over 20 years ago with Bridgestone and I can assure you the Japanese manufacturer produces way better tyres today, 2 decades later. )

You seem to be a shareholder of Pirelli or something, which is good, I hope you keep making money with it. I just cannot let you say tyres were different even for team mates, during the tyre war period. They literally had a draw to ensure every driver got the very same tyre from their respective supplier.

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TeamKoolGreen wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 00:43
F1 should give another tire company the specs for the current F1 season and tell them to make a tire that they can test. Just to see where the Pirelli tire is at. How else would they know ?

Judging by the onboards of the cars in the top row, something is wrong. The cars are just plowing through that first corner in Shanghai and it does not look like the pinnacle of motorsport. Maybe it is the Pirelli construction.
This is a great idea and a nice observation of cars' behaviour in T1.

One thing I am pretty sure is that, with another supplier like Bridgestone, Michelin or Goodyear, not only the tyres would much better ( meaning amount of grip for a certain durability) but they would also have a decent operational temperature window, instead of the extremelly narrow one of Pirelli

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Artur Craft wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 05:34
I just cannot let you say tyres were different even for team mates, during the tyre war period. They literally had a draw to ensure every driver got the very same tyre from their respective supplier.
100%. I remember that.
Watching F1 since 1986.

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Artur Craft wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 05:11
SB15 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:06
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I don’t know why you have this vendetta against Antonelli, like what did he do to you?
Can I invert the question? Why do you love him so much? Always looking for excuses for his lack of speed while hyping up his Melbourne race in which he drove one of the quickest cars of the grid

This is a friendly post, I might have a bias against him because I can't stand hyped drivers but you do seem to have a bias in his favour, which is normal for F1 fans. But, should F1 forums be just fan clubs of drivers?
Well I'm a Mercedes fan and too be honest sure, I am biased as well. But even if I wasn't a Mercedes fan, Kimi is just getting his feet set in sport and getting P4 in the rain, is no easy feat, especially when you consider that many veterans were making mistakes, or how about, flashback, crashing to cause a Red Flags in the process.

And why you want to talk about not liking hyped drivers, boy you don't know this sport do you.

I bet you were that type of person to say that Lewis Kid is overhyped, no way he's going to compete for the championship in his debut against the reigning world champion let alone, lead the title standings and lose by 1 point and then Win the title the next year (Which did Happen)

That Nico Rosberg Is teamed up with THE Michale Schumacher, yeah that's going to be a landslide win for Schumi.... oh Rosberg beat him over the three years..oh okay. But that was Lucky, his new Teammate is Lewis Hamilton and Lewis won in 2014 - 2015 at height of his career, always had Rosberg's number, no way Lewis loses this 2016 Championship to Rosberg (Oh that did happen)

or how about this Vettel guy coming into the sport oh yeah that kid isn't going to get 4 championships or win a race with that Torro Rosso (Which Did happen)

How about that Max Verstppen kid? Really 17 years old, next year you throw him in the major Redbull seat, oh yeah he's not winning in his Redbull debut at 18 years old and he would need to get lucky for that to happen. He's never going to go toe to toe with Lewis Hamilton and dominate the sport winning multiple world championships (Which did Happen)

Not only were you outrageously wrong about Kimi before his Debut, but you decide to double down on not liking hyped F1 prospects and Kimi is no different from the others so why treat him differently?

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People on the even (oily) side seemed disadvantaged. Lots of poor starts on that side. Can't believe they didn't try harder to clear it.

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Camera panning to replays as we had both Russell v Norris and Hamilton v LeClerc live.

Why oh why is the coverage of this great sport so clueless?

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Ferrari needs to redesign this FW.

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Interesting, LEC FW has damage right in front of Front left tyre.

And front left is critical tyre at this track

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The Mclaren strat guys reckon his damaged wing is shedding so much drag on the straight it's actually better than an undamaged wing - they're saying it's also why Ferrari didn't even think about swapping it at the pit.
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Ultimate Flexiwing for Charles