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I fear double q1 exit today

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GoranF1 wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 15:24
So @wskt when i said 2 years ago that Mercedes will not allow AM to beat them and use anything to stop them including sabotage you said I was crazy. Well looks like they did screw up wind tunnel for Aston....

https://x.com/ElReyGuiri/status/1913543 ... SIBRA&s=19
It's badly correlated, apparently. But how do you know it's sabotage?

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Nikosar wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 12:15
-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 09:58
diffuser wrote:
18 Apr 2025, 21:48
He got huge wheel spin out of the final corner, that left him on the defensive. So he tried to brake extremely late to recover, he took a gamble and it didn't pay.

Happens alot on restarts with hards. Especially when everyone else around was on softs or Mediums.
You just described the MISTAKE, which doesn't make it any better (as others in the same situation mastered it). His luck was that it happend in a useless race, being P15 or so, and AMR was that irrelevant that the live feed didn't even replay it.
Andrea Stella, Toto and James Wolves often take the blame for providing cars that are unpredictable and difficult to drive, before pointing the finger at the drivers. Looking at the onboards of Alonso, Stroll, and also Drugovich, they're constantly fighting the car through every corner just to keep it on track. How can you expect faultless execution from the drivers under such conditions ?
Finally back in the land of reason and rationality. I think deep down the OP would agree with your assessment but it would interfere with his agenda of trying to push his driver into Alonso’s seat.

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GoranF1 wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 15:24
So @wskt when i said 2 years ago that Mercedes will not allow AM to beat them and use anything to stop them including sabotage you said I was crazy. Well looks like they did screw up wind tunnel for Aston....

https://x.com/ElReyGuiri/status/1913543 ... SIBRA&s=19
At the end of the day you rented a paint brush, wether you can paint your own Mona Lisa or not, isn’t the paint brush renter error. The fact that Merc didn't give AM F1 the secrets to using the Merc WT wasn't a requirement.

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That’s why it’s become clear Aston are not going to turn off 2025 development as it would hurt them more than it would help them in understanding how to build a fast car in the future and understand their own tools before its 2026 pre-season testing.

The possibility that they would have turned up to testing in 2026 with a car that correlates based on taking compromised Mercedes WT data is alarming.
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RedNEO wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 16:09
Nikosar wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 12:15
-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 09:58


You just described the MISTAKE, which doesn't make it any better (as others in the same situation mastered it). His luck was that it happend in a useless race, being P15 or so, and AMR was that irrelevant that the live feed didn't even replay it.
Andrea Stella, Toto and James Wolves often take the blame for providing cars that are unpredictable and difficult to drive, before pointing the finger at the drivers. Looking at the onboards of Alonso, Stroll, and also Drugovich, they're constantly fighting the car through every corner just to keep it on track. How can you expect faultless execution from the drivers under such conditions ?
Finally back in the land of reason and rationality. I think deep down the OP would agree with your assessment but it would interfere with his agenda of trying to push his driver into Alonso’s seat.
Yeah, I have the agenda of pushing „my driver“ VER into the AMR. You could see from my thousand posts in the RBR thread how much of a fan I am. Man oh man… [-o<

Rationality is a good word. Maybe some diehard fans should start to think more rationally and don’t close the eyes from things one doesn’t like. Grow up, that’s life.


Regarding the wind tunnel. Why does Cowell say that they still need to learn how to interpret all the data from the tools and how Newey will help in that process. I guess it’s not that easy that you put a model in the tunnel and CFD and get excellent data you can use.

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-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 16:46
RedNEO wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 16:09
Nikosar wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 12:15


Andrea Stella, Toto and James Wolves often take the blame for providing cars that are unpredictable and difficult to drive, before pointing the finger at the drivers. Looking at the onboards of Alonso, Stroll, and also Drugovich, they're constantly fighting the car through every corner just to keep it on track. How can you expect faultless execution from the drivers under such conditions ?
Finally back in the land of reason and rationality. I think deep down the OP would agree with your assessment but it would interfere with his agenda of trying to push his driver into Alonso’s seat.
Yeah, I have the agenda of pushing „my driver“ VER into the AMR. You could see from my thousand posts in the RBR thread how much of a fan I am. Man oh man… [-o<

Rationality is a good word. Maybe some diehard fans should start to think more rationally and don’t close the eyes from things one doesn’t like. Grow up, that’s life.
Listen, I’m not the one making up scenarios that don’t exist outside of my own head. Maybe you should heed your own advice and move on from these irrelevant posts.

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We are fine anyway, as I will never start discussions with you, because there is just bias behind your posts, no rationality. Fine for a XY fan forum, not for a neutral „f1 technical forum“ in my opinion. But that’s just my opinion. I discussed this topic with diffuser. Ok? Thanks.

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-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 17:07
We are fine anyway, as I will never start discussions with you, because there is just bias behind your posts, no rationality. Fine for a XY fan forum, not for a neutral „f1 technical forum“ in my opinion. But that’s just my opinion. I discussed this topic with diffuser. Ok? Thanks.
Pot kettle black

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its probably not going to happen, but i saw some speculation that redbull may try to extend its honda partnership for 1 more year. because of the new engine regulations next year, and its inability so far to get the ice and battery unit to work seamlessly so far. racing bulls would use the redbull/ford power unit in 26 to help develop it further, while redbull would use hondas new PU. i think itd be sorta advantageous for aston to allow that to help honda continue to develop its new PU. once again theyll be at a disadvantage to mercedes , who have so many teams to gather data.

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-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 13:34
Nikosar wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 12:15
-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 09:58


You just described the MISTAKE, which doesn't make it any better (as others in the same situation mastered it). His luck was that it happend in a useless race, being P15 or so, and AMR was that irrelevant that the live feed didn't even replay it.
Andrea Stella, Toto and James Wolves often take the blame for providing cars that are unpredictable and difficult to drive, before pointing the finger at the drivers. Looking at the onboards of Alonso, Stroll, and also Drugovich, they're constantly fighting the car through every corner just to keep it on track. How can you expect faultless execution from the drivers under such conditions ?
My hypothesis was, that ALO makes more mistakes than usual, because maybe he feels already VER breath in his neck.

He dealt with so many weak cars in his career, (F14T…) I don’t know what should be different compared to this years car.
dont you think that driving the worst handeling car on the grid has more of an affect on a driver than some hypothetical scenario? when was the last time that the slowest teams drivers were were feelin a bunch of pressure from the current WDC to take their seat? not impossible, but seems kinda far out currently. im pretty sure alonso will be in the aston in 26. if not, there are gonna be a lot of people jumping off the aston martin fan list with stroll jr still in the other seat.

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3 sets aleady used, Q is over.

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zoroastar wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 17:16
its probably not going to happen, but i saw some speculation that redbull may try to extend its honda partnership for 1 more year. because of the new engine regulations next year, and its inability so far to get the ice and battery unit to work seamlessly so far. racing bulls would use the redbull/ford power unit in 26 to help develop it further, while redbull would use hondas new PU. i think itd be sorta advantageous for aston to allow that to help honda continue to develop its new PU. once again theyll be at a disadvantage to mercedes , who have so many teams to gather data.
Disadvantage to both Merc and Ferrari.

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-wkst- wrote:
19 Apr 2025, 19:23
3 sets aleady used, Q is over.

Yeah, the 3ird set didn't go all the way around on a hot lap. only about 75% :(.

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First run in Q2 are the tires he ended Q1 on.