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Marshalling would be an interesting topic but instead of that let me post a link to BMMC where you can read a lot good stuff that helps in understanding events on track. If you have the time download and read this short pocket guide to marshalling because it is really helpful for better understanding of F1 including the other racing series.
http://www.marshals.co.uk/new/files/msfguide.pdf

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also remember ( i cant remember the year...mayb 91, 92) when Mark Donnaghue's Lotus crashed at Jerez, his car was torn apart and even in a 1990's car he was trown OUT of the car with the seat STILL ATTACHED to him...one of the first people there to see if he was alright was Senna. Parking the car is perfectly acceptable in those situations, just keep it off the racing line (better yet actually park it IN the gravel trap or ON the grass).
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MArtin Donnelly.... :lol:

Ok third situation to my list! :lol:

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Parking your car on the racetrack even if it is off the racingline it is still potentially dangerous. And if you cannot contribute to the effort of the marshalls then in my opinion you should not stop on the racetrack but rather continue and get out of the marshalls way if it doesnt look quite as good on television.

I only want whats best for those unlucky enough to be involved in an accident and to minimize the chance of another accident. I dont think that stopping your car and running up to somebody and asking them if they are alright actually helps the situation, But if it does and the benefits outweigh the downsides then its fine by me.

Monstrobolaxa: Wasnt Senna criticized for his trip in the medical car ?
The Senna incident was a long time ago and my memory isnt that good anymore =)

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When Donnelly had that accident it was another driver (not Senna) who parked his car in front of his body as Donnelly was lying in the middle of the track. If this wasn't done Donnelly could have been run over by another car.

SOME OF THE PHOTOS ARE DISTURBING!!!
http://ukf1.simracingnetwork.com/f1_cra ... kage_2.jpg

http://ukf1.simracingnetwork.com/f1_cra ... z_1990.jpg

http://ukf1.simracingnetwork.com/f1_cra ... kage_1.jpg

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Guest /Fx, after red flag is shown not only on start finish line but on all marshals posts it says to drivers - slow down and stop moving ASAP. There is a difference between sessions stopped (red flag on start/finish line only) and red flag on all marshals posts.

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I first saw these pics in a 'history of F1' book. Still shocking now though. Amazing he survived really.
"Whether you think you can or can't, either way you are right."
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As I wrote earlier you have to view all incidents/accindents individually. It doesnt contradict what I have written earlier.

There are plenty of examples where drivers not only in F1 have done stupid things with their cars.

If you use your imagination you can come up with a situation where driving in the wrong direction saves the day.

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Spencifer_Murphy wrote:... he was thrown OUT of the car with the seat STILL ATTACHED to him...
Not only that, if you compare 1st and 3rd pic. I linked, you'll see that rear end plate of the cockpit is attached to his back and the seat is in pieces (pic.3) as 2 points of safety harness were connected to that rear end plate of the cockpit.

On pic. 1 fuel tank is visible as previously mentioned rear end plate of the cockpit has been thorn out!

Completely unbelievable and so shocking!

BTW, does anyone know what caused the death of Markko’s co-driver Park?

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A coroner's inquest will be held later in the week according to Motorsport News. This is the first picture i've seen of the incident. Even though the fire service are using hydraulic cutters on his door you can still see that the impact was so great that it displaced the boot lid and started to fold the roof up too. The guy didn't stand a chance.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/ ... /Wales.jpg
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Scuerida_Russ wrote:I first saw these pics in a 'history of F1' book. Still shocking now though. Amazing he survived really.
Think of how much energy must have been disapated doing that much damage to the car. Thats the only way you get out of those alive.

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Monstrobolaxa wrote:...We might not have a race in F1....
www.grandprix.com wrote: Portugal plans new F1 circuit

Portimao, a small town on the Algarve in southern Portugal, is planning to build a Formula 1 standard racing circuit as part of a large technology park development.

Portimao is a popular tourist destination with a good climate and a number of international standard golf courses in addition to beaches and fishing ports but the locals want to add to the glamour of the area and create new growth and a company called Parkalgar is planning a 800-acre racing circuit which is estimated to cost around $150m. The promoters of the idea are hoping that the Portuguese government will help with the project as part of its development plans for the region. The development will include a karting facility, a hotel and apartments and an industrial parkm which will be geared towards attracting car and bike teams to use the facility for testing. The new track will be located close to the coast and about 40 miles from Faro International Airport.

While the idea sounds promising there is no indication at the moment as to how the locals will pay the fees that F1 will be asking for a race each year, although presumably the local authorities will be pushing for the government to foot the bill.

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Very old story.....LOL only now it's in the papers but it was first published in 2002!

It was supposed to being construction in 2003.....it's 2005 and nothing! Besides that we don't have 20 or 30 million to pay to get ourselves onto the calender!!! :cry:

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Just out of interest has Montiero increased the interest much in Portugal?
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From the fan point of view yes.....from a industrial/economic point of view no! Companies were more interested in the Portuguese GP then on the drivers.

Though he hasn't really brought new fans to the sport...he basicly pulled back to the sport, the fans that were bored with the Schumacher dominance...