USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

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Australian, oh-no, not another one? :lol:
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marcush. wrote: I guess i just ignore windsor.
It helps.

This whole thread is a text book example of the US-EU culture clash that I see at work every day.

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John Anderson was head of race Operations at PACWEST -Bruce McCaws Indycar team from end of 1996 -head count then around 50 technical people if i remember correctly this was his first time him being responsible for a big group of people .
Last year he managed de Ferrans Racing team .
I´d say he should be a capable guy ..resume found on de Ferrans Website:

http://www.deferranmotorsports.com/page ... derson.php

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richard_leeds wrote:
marcush. wrote: I guess i just ignore windsor.
It helps.
This whole thread is a text book example of the US-EU culture clash that I see at work every day.
Interesting point Richard, care to elaborate? Btw, how about renaming this here thread to "AUSF1", Ciro?
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richard_leeds wrote:This whole thread is a text book example of the US-EU culture clash that I see at work every day.
The anti-US thing is a pretty weak defence and is what everyone leaps to when everything else is exhausted.

This thread has grown around legitimate questions surrounding US F1, and they were raised as soon as people heard Peter Windsor was going to be involved - an Anglo-Australian. He wouldn't be most peoples' first choice to head a Formula 1 team and those questions would have remained had he started an Australian F1 team. I rather suspect most people labelling this as anti-US and applying wishful thinking to US F1 don't know about Peter Windsor.

The whole Campos situation raises more questions about US F1 though. Campos are a team much further along than US F1, have a chassis, drivers signed, backing (mainly around Bruno Senna) and a defineable team - and they might well not make it. The fact that USF1 have signed John Anderson from somewhere doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Hell, it's going to be tough for Virgin and I don't like that 'all CFD' approach (I think it will end in failure personally) with Wirth having a go at Patrick Head, but they should have the backing to bludgeon their way through that.

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Gross generalisation & stereotype alert! (because this a thread full of stereotype)

What I was referring to is the US culture for unapologetic overbearing positivity with a dose of patriotism and adherence to process. I also see a EU (more UK actually) dose of satire, healthy questioning, with a dislike for patriotism or blindly following process.

I'd say one is characterised by being absolute, the other prefers shades of grey.

Both have their place. Neither is perfect. Sometimes one finds the other difficult to stomach, and occasionally offensive.

Of course it is not helped that USF1's public face is a exuberant journalist, while F1 is used to taciturn technical people fronting their teams (Frank Williams and Ross Brawn as extreme cases). That probably exaggerates any trans Atlantic culture difference.

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xpensive wrote:how about renaming this here thread to "AUSF1"?
Then we'd have to rename "Mercedes" to "Brawn", and "Virgin" to "Been around a bit"

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richard_leeds wrote:Gross generalisation & stereotype alert! (because this a thread full of stereotype)

What I was referring to is the US culture for unapologetic overbearing positivity with a dose of patriotism and adherence to process. I also see a EU (more UK actually) dose of satire, healthy questioning, with a dislike for patriotism or blindly following process.

I'd say one is characterised by being absolute, the other prefers shades of grey.

Both have their place. Neither is perfect. Sometimes one finds the other difficult to stomach, and occasionally offensive.

Of course it is not helped that USF1's public face is a exuberant journalist, while F1 is used to taciturn technical people fronting their teams (Frank Williams and Ross Brawn as extreme cases). That probably exaggerates any trans Atlantic culture difference.
I found your explanation of the US viewpoint very informative. I am married to a Brit so am familiar with that aspect. I follow a very large US motorcycle site with good sensible input & your explanation of their culture explains a lot that has puzzled me there. (The seemingly blind antipathy between Republicans & Democrats & having to accept the party line astounded me.)

I have followed this thread with great interest & am very pleased to see they are progressing. USF1 uses Haas machine tools (& Gene Haas is associated) - I have a Haas machining centre & am delighted that I chose it so I have some allegiance to USF1 for that reason.

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marcush. wrote:with anderson joining USF1 to me it is fact not fiction that they will be on the grid from race 1 .
I guess i just ignore windsor.
Who is this "John Anderson" anyway, never heard of him actually, there's nothing on USF1 website either?
Sounds like a competent hire (from Autosport.com):
Anderson has spent the last 30 years working in several motorsports categories in the US, including jobs with Gerry Forsythe, Barry Green, Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt Jr.

Most recently, Anderson was the team manager for Gil de Ferran's ALMS squad.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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I'm sure he is, Don. But with a Team principal/CEO, a Sporting director, a Corporate strategist and now a Team manager,
it doesn't really come across as a "skunkworks" outfit anymore, does it?

Is there an official Technical director, Design manager or something like that?
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“To be honest we’re quite surprised at this development,” the team’s PR boss Peter Windsor told (other) journalists. “As far as we’re aware FOM have no right to order the removal of any Formula One team. We are looking into the issue but so far we can’t find anyone at FOM to contact.”
http://runoffarea.co.uk/2010/01/usf1-di ... ght-claim/

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:lol: \:D/

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How bout something relevent to the team... instead of all the death wishes for them from uninformed people.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80805
US F1 granted extra testing days

2 extra days cant hurt... unfortunatly I figure out how to tie Ferrari into this conspiracy... anyone wanna help?

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ISLAMATRON wrote:unfortunatly I [can't] figure out how to tie Ferrari into this conspiracy... anyone wanna help?
USF1 is going to test a few parts for Ferrari during one of their extra tests. That work?

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bhallg2k wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:unfortunatly I [can't] figure out how to tie Ferrari into this conspiracy... anyone wanna help?
USF1 is going to test a few parts for Ferrari during one of their extra tests. That work?
Not wild enough