Ferrari F10

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at the risk of going OT, here's a good photo comparison for you to further your theory..
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I think you have got the jist of where im going with the front wheels to the front wing theory. If you have a look at the F2007 and F2008, altho a different set of technical rules, they didnt have that problem as much.

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Confused_Andy wrote:
allstaruk08 wrote:have they relocated the fuel tank towards the rear and put the engine behind the driver or do the headers have a sharp turn at the end because they look really close to the cockpit area http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... _right.jpg im asking this question looking at this picture comparing the two cars. or am i just talking a load of rubbish lol
I dont think FIA regs would allow that, the exhausts are just really short, should make this possibly the loudest car...
Maybe Ferrari were looking back through some old Autocourses, and saw the 1988 Ligier Judd JS31, which put the engine behind the driver, and the fuel tank behind the engine, a true classic.. :roll:

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Roger the knife wrote: Maybe Ferrari were looking back through some old Autocourses, and saw the 1988 Ligier Judd JS31, which put the engine behind the driver, and the fuel tank behind the engine, a true classic.. :roll:

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That design really resembles a rolling fire bomb. No protection for the fuel tank whatsoever.
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Is it legal to put fuel tank behind engine? I guess as race would go on car's balance would improve rapidly.

Anyway Ferrari wasn't hard on tires last few seasons so I think in 2010. they will have that advantage over some other teams. Everybody talk about bigger tank, aero efficiency but tire usage is the biggest tactical thingy in 2010. Having one pit stop less than competition, or having one more makes really big difference.
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One and Only wrote:Is it legal to put fuel tank behind engine?
No, its obviously not allowed. Fuel must be protected by the driver survival cell. So unless you design this structure to enclose the engine as well you cannot change the order of fuel and engine.
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Heaven: Where the cooks are French, the police are British, the lovers are Greek, the mechanics are German, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell: Where the cooks are British, the police are German, the lovers are Swiss, the mechanics are French, and it is all organized by the Greeks.

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WhiteBlue wrote:
One and Only wrote:Is it legal to put fuel tank behind engine?
No, its obviously not allowed. Fuel must be protected by the driver survival cell. So unless you design this structure to enclose the engine as well you cannot change the order of fuel and engine.
It must be in the survival cell, it must be behind the driver and in front of the engine.
FIA Technical Regulations wrote: 6.1.2 All the fuel stored on board the car must be situated between the front face of the engine and the driver's back when viewed in lateral projection. When establishing the front face of the engine, no parts of the fuel, oil, water or electrical systems will be considered.

Furthermore, no fuel can be stored more than 300mm forward of the highest point at which the driver's back makes contact with his seat. However, a maximum of 2 litres of fuel may be kept outside the survival cell, but only that which is necessary for the normal running of the engine.

6.1.3 Fuel must not be stored more than 400mm from the longitudinal axis of the car.
You can download the rules here .... http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/f1regs.html

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Gerhard Berger wrote:Even with Alonso, Ferrari's overall package is not as strong as it once was with Schumacher. They are now missing (Jean) Todt, (Ross) Brawn and the often underestimated designer (Rory) Byrne. And without the right people, soon you are lost.
Gerhard, I'm with you. I wouldn't mind a limping pony instead of a prancing stallion. 8) :lol:
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How could they know its not fast when its never even been driven.

Sounds like a BS story to me.

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Agreed. Pretty dumb subject for a rumour. No race car is ever "finished." Every one of these cars will change from the debut to the first race and through the season. That is what this website is about right?

McLaren has historically debuted radical looking cars that never finish a race. The only car I'm interested in seeing is the new Red Bull. Then we will see who has done their homework.

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djones wrote:
How could they know its not fast when its never even been driven.

Sounds like a BS story to me.
The Ferrari chief designer made the following remark on the day of the McLaren launch:
Aldo Costa wrote: We were put in a very unpleasant position last year and we still think that the double diffuser is illegal. Maybe the saga will just carry on.
McLaren's Paddy Lowe said to Autosport:
Paddy Lowe wrote:This is the first car in which we have had a clean sheet of paper to really exploit the interpretation [of diffusers] that was developed last year for a design of floors.

You will see we have produced a fairly extreme incarnation of that but we won't be alone in that. We believe you will see some pretty extreme solutions on our competitors' cars as well.

We think the interpretation is very clear. In certain aspects we have sought guidance from the FIA and they have come out with very clear interpretation, understanding and guidance - and we think that has been made available to all the teams.

We are hoping for a much cleaner start to the season then we had a year ago in terms of the teams' collective understanding of the basis from which we go racing.
Ferrari are already making excuses for potentially low performance and insufficient research in diffusor design. At least that is the sound of the news from the two ex top teams.
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... _right.jpg
In this comparison photo, there is a substantial diff. in exhaust outlet location...300-350 mm more forward on F10 in my approximation.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 2010_1.jpg
In plan the F10 has a more outboard exaust port location. Does the Mac just have a longer exhaust pipe under the engine cover to provide more control in exhaust air & heat release under the rear wing? If so, which layout has more advantages than disadvantages? In my view releasing the heat asap is better.

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A few weeks ago there were very positive reports in the Finnish press about Ferrari designers being exceptionally satisfied with the car's weight distribution. Funny how these things turn...

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FLC wrote:A few weeks ago there were very positive reports in the Finnish press about Ferrari designers being exceptionally satisfied with the car's weight distribution. Funny how these things turn...


I don't understand why Ferrari technicians would be naive enough to take a limited interpretation of the diffuser rules as opposed to a radical one apparently adopted by other teams. It makes no sense unless they are incompetent, Didn't Ferrari's Aero chief leave recently for Mclaren?