Design of an multy element wing?

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Hello everybody!

with regard to my final project i have to write this semester, i want to design and analyse a multi element rear wing of a formula one car with CAD/CFD software.

I'm studying aeronautical and mechanical engineering and therefore i should be okay with all the basic stuff/knowledge about the aerodynamics and also cfd.

My big problem is the beginning of its design. Of course the wing should perform on a high lift/drag ratio i guess, but there are so many wing shapes available, i really have no idea how to start.

Is it a good idea to search in some airfoil databases for the wings with the highest lift/drag ratio and choose then one of them (and build up the multy-element wing)?

I hope i can find some good ideas/tips/books/websites with your help to solve my problem with this.

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Why are you stipulating that it has to be multi-element from the beginning? Doesn't always need to be.

Why not start by defining some real objectives? Ie, must produce X downforce at Y speed, while consuming less than Z horsepower at that speed. Must be packaged within "A" width and "B" plan area. From there, you can figure out what kind of design you need, be it multi-element or not.

But, either way, looking through airfoil catalogs is a good starting point. Liebeck profiles may be a good one...
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Some theory:

http://www.desktopaero.com/appliedaero/ ... esign.html

And an Airfoil design soft with a free demo you can download:

http://www.designfoil.com/
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The reason why i want to design a multy element wing is, because its more complicated then a "single element" wing.
I will design it for a commonly modern formula one racing car, so i use average car properties (engine and so on).

Why not start by defining some real objectives? Ie, must produce X downforce at Y speed, while consuming less than Z horsepower at that speed. Must be packaged within "A" width and "B" plan area. From there, you can figure out what kind of design you need, be it multi-element or not.

this sounds good and i already thought about this thoughts. But how many downforce should a formula one car produce?
Of course it should produce more downforce than the car is producing lift force, but can i get this kind of information of a website or so?

(i can choose the whole scenario on my own)




Already big thanks for the link @ belatti and for your help Tom!

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Obvious but, rather thank looking for total downforce, is there any information available about rear wing downforce?

I guess you would be within a range, as monaco has different amounts of downforce compared to monza.


http://www.symscape.com/blog/f1_aero
The upper portion of the rear wing is a traditional multi-element airfoil (similar to those deployed on aircraft during landing) with end plates, and generates approximately 33% of the total car downforce. The lower portion of the rear wing, usually a single airfoil, 'pulls' or drives air from the undertray.

Hope it helps.
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thanks, designfoil is a really amazing tool! but its also very expensive (what a pity for me). Are there other softwares like this available which are cheaper/for free?

kind regards!

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quattro wrote:thanks, designfoil is a really amazing tool! but its also very expensive (what a pity for me). Are there other softwares like this available which are cheaper/for free?

kind regards!
I think there is a free demo in that page...
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And one question about the necessary downforce.


If i assume a car weight of 750 kg (fuel and driver included), the weight of the car is the following:

L = mcar * g = 750 kg * 9,81 m/s² = 7357.5 N

So, with the fact that a rear wing produces approximately 30 % of the overall downforce, the from the wing created amount of this downforce should be approximately 2200 N.


So far my actual status. But now some other theoretical questions...

I read on wikipedia the following:
"while an F1 car achieves the same downforce:weight ratio of 1:1 at 125 km/h (78 mph) to 130 km/h (81 mph), and at 190 km/h (118 mph) the ratio is roughly 2:1.".

Thats actually the exact information i need, WHEN i have to produce the downforce ratio of 1:1 to the car weight. But what happens if the car is faster/slower than this amount?

Is it okay when i test the downforce at 125 km/h and i achieve a downforce ratio of 1:1? I'm not sure, but with the information that the wings are fixed for each track, i guess that the magnitude of downforce adjusts itself if the wing has a downforce/weight ratio of 1:1 at a speed of 125 km/h?!



This is just the point where i struggle at the moment. For example, if there are lift producing parts on the formula one car, of course, the downforce creating parts have to create more downforce than just the weight.

Also a fact is that at higher speeds, the downforce should be much higher than just the car weight to achieve the needed grip on the track.


Therefore: am i okay if the downforce/weight ratio is about 1:1 at approx. 125 km/h?


I hope you can understand my problems, sorry, my English is not the best...


regards!

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quattro wrote: thanks, designfoil is a really amazing tool! but its also very expensive (what a pity for me). Are there other softwares like this available which are cheaper/for free?
I'll just throw this out there. Does your school not have any CFD capability? If not, I know there is a free 2D CFD code available for MATLAB in their file exchange site. Tom has a link posted to it in his development blog. I think he posted it ~1.5 years ago. Might be worth checking out if you have nothing else available to you.

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yes, i have the opportunity to use the CFD package Gambit/Fluent.

But it's faster and easier to design airfoils with designfoil, or maybe other similar programs.

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quattro wrote:And one question about the necessary downforce.


If i assume a car weight of 750 kg (fuel and driver included), the weight of the car is the following:

L = mcar * g = 750 kg * 9,81 m/s² = 7357.5 N

So, with the fact that a rear wing produces approximately 30 % of the overall downforce, the from the wing created amount of this downforce should be approximately 2200 N.


So far my actual status. But now some other theoretical questions...

I read on wikipedia the following:
"while an F1 car achieves the same downforce:weight ratio of 1:1 at 125 km/h (78 mph) to 130 km/h (81 mph), and at 190 km/h (118 mph) the ratio is roughly 2:1.".

Thats actually the exact information i need, WHEN i have to produce the downforce ratio of 1:1 to the car weight. But what happens if the car is faster/slower than this amount?

Is it okay when i test the downforce at 125 km/h and i achieve a downforce ratio of 1:1? I'm not sure, but with the information that the wings are fixed for each track, i guess that the magnitude of downforce adjusts itself if the wing has a downforce/weight ratio of 1:1 at a speed of 125 km/h?!



This is just the point where i struggle at the moment. For example, if there are lift producing parts on the formula one car, of course, the downforce creating parts have to create more downforce than just the weight.

Also a fact is that at higher speeds, the downforce should be much higher than just the car weight to achieve the needed grip on the track.


Therefore: am i okay if the downforce/weight ratio is about 1:1 at approx. 125 km/h?


I hope you can understand my problems, sorry, my English is not the best...


regards!
OK, if this is a semester project or senior design project, I wouldn't worry about total downforce just in the interest of time and resources. Your 125 km/hr figure for 1:1 downforce to weight ratio is probably close to reality. As for 30% of the downforce coming from the rear wing, that number is a little more difficult to assess considering that the aerodynamic downforce is not just a sum of the parts. The wings and underbody all work together, and the rear wing actually has a great effect on the air exiting the diffuser.

But if you feel that the 30% figure is a reasonable approximation (and you should justify that somehow, other than a wikipedia article of course... :)), then it would be useful to use as a benchmark value to make sure you have a wing that is at least in the ballpark. That is, you are making an assumption that the rear wing will generate X amount of downforce at velocity Y. In your lift equation, L = 0.5*rho*V^2*A*C_L, you still need to determine A and C_L. If this is specifically for an F1 car, the A is partially defined by the rules. I know the span width of the wings is mandated, but I'm not sure about the chord length so you'll have to check. For the moment, we'll assume you can have any chord length you wish. So now you can set up a table with a variety of chord lengths as your input and the required C_L value to meet your lift requirement as the output. This should give you some direction in your airfoil search to determine what planform area and C_L are at least realistic to meet the benchmark goal.

Once you have determined a few airfoil shapes that meet your benchmark requirement, I wouldn't think about total downforce, or any percentage of it, anymore. Since you are studying the rear wing only, you can't truly assess its effect on the whole car due to its interaction with the underbody. Rather, you can analyze how sensitive the wing is to changes in variables. There is no "perfect wing setup" in reality, but engineers do need to know the effect of changing wing angles, chord length, etc. So as a starting point you could analyze pitch sensitivity and speed sensitivity. Determine some range of angle of attack and velocity that you would consider an acceptable range, and break the range into a few discrete points for each. Then determine the C_L value each combination of velocity and angle of attack. So if, for example, you have 5 angle of attack points and 5 velocities, then you'll calculate 25 C_L values. You can then plot several C_L vs. AoA curves, one curve for each velocity. You can then repeat the process for the different airfoil shapes you picked earlier, and then compare and contrast the two.

One thing you might want to keep in mind is that the slope of the C_L vs. AoA curve is steeper for higher aspect ratio wings, and the max C_L increases with aspect ratio as well, so the chord length plays a major role in your C_L value. Once you have the speed/AoA study working you could consider adding the chord length as another variable. But don't bother with it initially. There will be some debugging in your process (there always is) so the fewer elements you have to mess up at the beginning, the easier it is to fix the problem.

Hopefully what I've said makes sense, but if it doesn't just let me know and I'll amplify what I mean. Good luck with the project...

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Yes thanks a lot! this already helps me a lot with my project!


By the way, is there any possibility to get the ali/wings book from enrico benzing? i searched everywhere on the internet, but it's in all the shops sold out :(

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One more question, this time about the FIA 2008 rear wing regulations.

I already found the regulation sheet on the FIA website, but i didnt found exactly drawings for the rear wing regulations.


Does anyone know where i can get them from?

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About velocity, i believe it is better the work with Reynold's numbers directly.
Each airfoil you plan to use has a polar plot, this is a graph with lift coefficient vs angle of attack. Then there is a lift coefficient vs drag coefficient graph or drag bucket.
The programs that you use to analyze the airfoil can plot these graphs for specific reynold's numbers. the Reynold's numbers are very important, in that they greatly affect your max lift coefficient.
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your polar should look like this for a profile.

Try to select angle of attack out of the unstable region on the graph(where it starts to taper off), Pass this angle of attack and the wing runs the risk of stalling, especially if there is a big change in Re number.

After deciding your angle of attack, check the Lift vs drag graph (drag bucket), go across from your chosen lift coefficient and check if the drag is in the region of the graph with very low drag, ie a high lift/drag gradient. Beyond that point the drag increase will be very high for a very small increase in lift. So stay in the bottom of the bucket or vertical region.
This graph however only applies to a specific Re. so keep that in check.
The pitching moment coefficient Cm. Is relevant to the strength of the wing, The higher the speed, the torque will act to tear the wing apart. Pitching moment is that tiny curve bellow the lift curve. The wing should be designed to withstand this torsion.

This is just for single element wings. Multi element wings are far superior and can see higher lift coefficients. Coefficient can go up to even 5, where as this example you only get about 0.93.

I myself would like to know more about Multi elemt wings and how close to space the elements, since the slot gaps are important.
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