Ferrari F10

[WhiteBlue]

I don't see a rule that tells you the engine has to be fitted parallel to the car axis. Gear box goes higher, but if you consider this right away it isn't a problem.

[Mr Alcatraz]

I might be wrong but wouldn't this set up allow then to have a fuel tank that tapers downwards, as the fuel tank is bounded on one side by the plane of the engine. can anywone savvy with the laws confirm this? pretty please?

change to C of M will be marginal, its only 3.5deg, and its a rotation, not a movement.

They also tapered the gearbox to accomadate the DDD! I doubt either raised the C of G any meaningful amount. [-X

[raymondu999]

it'll be interesting to see how this would have affected them, (if any). And I'd really like to see how they fare in Jerez too

[Mr Alcatraz]

Sloping towards the front of the car, the idea was seen in the innovative Arrows A2 of 1979. Now 31 years later, the design in 2010 could provide crucial additional airflow beneath the car to feed the more sophisticated and larger 'double diffuser'.

"The new Ferrari has a very interesting mechanical solution; most of the secrets are hidden under the bodywork," technical director Aldo Costa is quoted as saying.

The reports said the innovation could have shaved "a few tenths" off the
lap time of the 2010 Ferrari

Designer Nikolas Tombazis admitted: "The diffuser is fundamental. To maximize performance, we have revised the rear and better integrated various components.

"On the F10, it (the diffuser) is much larger and more efficient compared to previous seasons," he added.

The downside to a forward-angled engine mounting can be handling, because the center of gravity of the rear of the car is heightened

Hmmm.... built in ovrsteer that is going to require a good "hidden mechanical solution"

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -mounting/

Despite the rain during the second day of testing behind the wheel of the F10 Fernando Alonso was satisfied at the end of the day: “The work was influenced by the bad weather, but nevertheless we managed to drive many kilometres and almost did 90 laps,” Fernando said. “So we’re satisfied, because we could collect lots of data, which is important for the reliability. We hope that the weather is better tomorrow, because it’s important to drive on a dry track, too. The car went very well on the wet track though and it’s easy to drive. The feeling is good, just like on the dry

[donskar]

Nice to see the new (almost) all-Italian design team is at least trying some interesting approaches. Unless I mis-read the quote it seems they are running a rudimentary diffuser, but are trying some very interesting approaches to make it more efficient.

[Raptor22]

if they have angled the engine, i wonder if they will suffer oil starvation in there under acceleration and braking.
Hence the desire to run it light and fast and as often as possible....[scratches chin]

[CMSMJ1]

if they have angled the engine, i wonder if they will suffer oil starvation in there under acceleration and braking.
Hence the desire to run it light and fast and as often as possible....[scratches chin]

If they have sorted the oil delivery when it is already decelerating at 5g and cornering at 4g then I doubt angling the motor will make any difference at all.

/scratches nose

[MuseF1]

if they have angled the engine, i wonder if they will suffer oil starvation in there under acceleration and braking.
Hence the desire to run it light and fast and as often as possible....[scratches chin]

If they have sorted the oil delivery when it is already decelerating at 5g and cornering at 4g then I doubt angling the motor will make any difference at all.

/scratches nose

I doubt anybody has this problem, they all run dry sumps

[Raptor22]

what has a dry sump got to do with oil starvation?
absolutely nothing..!

it neither prevents oil starvation nor creates it.

Oil starvation has plagued a few cars over the years where engine configuration has been unconventional.
Merce C91 with its 180 degree V had starvation issues, renaults wide angle V engine has starvation issues, as did BMW Brabham when they laid the engine over a few degrees to lower the height of the engine.

3.5 degree may sound like a small angle, but at 4or 5G under braking oil runs downhill a lot faster.
If they have tilted the engine, i'd be surprised that the angle is so small, since this creates very little extra space. The engine is pretty short as it stands.
It would be a bigger angle than 3.5degrees.

[machin]

what has a dry sump got to do with oil starvation?

Lots... the use of a dry sump allows you to run a very small and highly V'd sump which means that the oil always sits above the oil pick-up point. With a wet sump system the sump is relatively large and is therefore prone to oil sloshing around in corners/braking/accelerating and allowing the oil pick-up to draw in air instead of oil, hence causing oil starvation.

I run a dry sump system on my racecar for this very reason.

[MuseF1]

what has a dry sump got to do with oil starvation?
absolutely nothing..!

it neither prevents oil starvation nor creates it.

Oil starvation has plagued a few cars over the years where engine configuration has been unconventional.
Merce C91 with its 180 degree V had starvation issues, renaults wide angle V engine has starvation issues, as did BMW Brabham when they laid the engine over a few degrees to lower the height of the engine.

3.5 degree may sound like a small angle, but at 4or 5G under braking oil runs downhill a lot faster.
If they have tilted the engine, i'd be surprised that the angle is so small, since this creates very little extra space. The engine is pretty short as it stands.
It would be a bigger angle than 3.5degrees.

Oil starvation has a lot to do with sumps as its job is to collect the oil and recirculate it, so if it doesnt collect or pick-up the oil properly then the engine doesnt get its oil.

Now i see your point though with regards to extreme V designs such as the Merc C91 180V engine, if your talking about oil actually reaching the sump.
I dont think angling the engine at 3.5degrees would be much of an issue, otherwise you'd have a serious problem at hilly tracks such as Interlagos or Spa, as their inclines are greater than 4 degrees

[FLC]

A good look from above on the F10's diffuser:

[Danlizzyman]

This car is starting to look strong, from the times I've seen today it seems very impressive, Alonso in the high 21s after almost 50 laps, better times than other teams were doing on shorter runs. I know it's early doors and who's to say the other teams didn't have even more fuel in their cars, but still, it could be a contender.

[FLC]

Autosport reported that Alonso was in the 1:21's in the end of a 47 laps stint, compared to 1:23's of Schumacher, who was on a 38 laps stint. I have no idea though if Schumacher's car was damaged at that time from the collision with Kobayashi.

[Mr Alcatraz]

This car is starting to look strong, from the times I've seen today it seems very impressive, Alonso in the high 21s after almost 50 laps, better times than other teams were doing on shorter runs. I know it's early doors and who's to say the other teams didn't have even more fuel in their cars, but still, it could be a contender.

There is some video on viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7911&start=405 that shows Fred doing a simulated start I'm not sure which stint it was, but I bet he wasn’t wasting his time doing it with a half full tank(but you never know). To me it’s obvious who was running light. The Renault and Williams looked the most balanced. McL, and RB looked racy, and the Ferrari looked a little lethargic at times, but IMVHO they ran very heavy today. I think we are in good shape boys [-o<